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TheRealMafoo on 17 March 2009
akuma587 said:
Because the Founding Fathers were concerned about monitoring and maintaining multi-national corporations and had something as dynamic as a world economy and the NYSE to deal with.

Man, they were just completely against the government getting involved in those things. Oh wait...those things DIDNT' EVEN EXIST YET!


Are you trying to tell me that if John Adams were to come back to life, he would approve of what we are doing?

Come on Akuma, you know better than that.



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MontanaHatchet on 17 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Because the Founding Fathers were concerned about monitoring and maintaining multi-national corporations and had something as dynamic as a world economy and the NYSE to deal with.

Man, they were just completely against the government getting involved in those things. Oh wait...those things DIDNT' EVEN EXIST YET!


Are you trying to tell me that if John Adams were to come back to life, he would approve of what we are doing?

Come on Akuma, you know better than that.

Yeah, he'd probably be confused as to why black people are allowed to be in the army.

Look, I'm sick, and I'm not in the mood to get into a huge political argument. But why would you think that politicians from more than 200 years ago, with completely different issues, would know what's right now? Should the United Kingdom get rid of their idealogies and just go back to whatever the British Empire thought?

 



 

 

akuma587 on 17 March 2009

The Founding Fathers would be amazed that women could vote. They would be amazed that we all have little telephones we carry around with us. They'd be amazed there even were such a thing as telephones.

The Constitution was crafted in broad terms for a reason. They knew that times change. That is one of the reasons why it has worked so well.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 17 March 2009

Our founding fathers founded a country that relied entirely on the slave trade, before the Industrial Revolution, and their idea of compromise was to settle on black people being 3 fifths of a person so the votes of slave owners are worth more than people without slaves.

I like the idea behind their system of amendments they set up so we could fix all their horrible mistakes, but it took a really long time just to fix the 3 fifths of a person issue. All men are created equal except for slaves, and it took over 150 years for women to be able to vote. So if you're gonna pull any hypothetical founding father time travel scenarios, you need to realize that all our founding fathers were slave-owning womanizing drunks, they'd all get AIDS on day one, and try to throw the whole internet in jail or some crazy shit.



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TheRealMafoo on 17 March 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Because the Founding Fathers were concerned about monitoring and maintaining multi-national corporations and had something as dynamic as a world economy and the NYSE to deal with.

Man, they were just completely against the government getting involved in those things. Oh wait...those things DIDNT' EVEN EXIST YET!


Are you trying to tell me that if John Adams were to come back to life, he would approve of what we are doing?

Come on Akuma, you know better than that.

Yeah, he'd probably be confused as to why black people are allowed to be in the army.

Look, I'm sick, and I'm not in the mood to get into a huge political argument. But why would you think that politicians from more than 200 years ago, with completely different issues, would know what's right now? Should the United Kingdom get rid of their idealogies and just go back to whatever the British Empire thought?

 

 

Adams never bought a slave and declined on principle to employ slave labor. I think he would be proud of how far civil rights have come.

Adams fought against the most powerful government of his time, to free him of far less than the US does today. To think he would be remotely for what's going on in the US today is to know nothing about the man.

To think somehow because it was so long ago, that his principals don't apply is extremely misguided as well.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 17 March 2009

I bet if we abducted Adams from history and gave him air conditioning, a private jet, a DS, an iPhone, and the ability to buy prostitutes on the internet, we could get him to sing a different tune.



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mrs.nordlead on 17 March 2009

what was right then is still right...right and wrong doesn't change(or it shouldn't anyway), at least our founding fathers had character and morals and where real men. the less the government is involved the better...i think a time is coming where we are going to have to stand up and take back this country.



TheRealMafoo on 17 March 2009
mrs.nordlead said:
what was right then is still right...right and wrong doesn't change(or it shouldn't anyway), at least our founding fathers had character and morals and where real men. the less the government is involved the better...i think a time is coming where we are going to have to stand up and take back this country.

 

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mrs.nordlead on 17 March 2009

what can i say...i was raised right ;)



SlorgNet on 17 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

Here's a thought, and I know... it's crazy... but why not stop bailing out companies that deserve to fail?

 

Let busted companies fail? Why, that would be... [drum roll]... un-American!

People laugh when I say USSR 1990 = USA 2009. But I'm not joking. This place is a totally corrupt socialism for the superrich and a nasty, brutish feudalism for the poor. Supposedly there was some capitalism around here at some time or other, but I don't see it.

Let's do the math:

1. Military-industrial complex: hugely wasteful boondoggle for a few well-connected companies, 8% of US economy.

2. Insurance-medical complex: hugely wasteful boondoggle for insurance companies whose business model depends on not giving sick people the care they need, 15% of economy.

3. Speculative-financial-mortgage-sprawl complex: hugely wasteful boondoggle for rentiers, punters, and Bernie Madoff clones, another 15% of economy.

And don't get me started on the idiots who drove the US car industry into the ground, mostly scions of the GM and Ford dynasties with zero entrepreneurial skills.