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im_sneaky said:
halogamer1989 said:
That Guy said:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/economy/recession/?postversion=2008120115

QED

This has nothing to do with where the US "went."  Recessions are standard.

 

 

The US went nowhere. It's still extremely conservative, religious, rich, with a huge military and bad education. Maybe we should be hoping it changes.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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That Guy said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
That Guy said:
on second thought, I'm reading the little dialogue bubble and thanos is definitely saying "GIVE ME TOAST, YOU BRAT" right before he moves in on the boy

I zoomed in and it's "Give me THAT, you Brat."  I'm not even sure it's a toaster.  I've been wondering about this for a long time too.  I zoomed in a couple weeks ago to read the quote, but I forgot to ask him what the hell was going on.

 

 

 

What say you, Kasz?

It's the cosmic cube.  It could make the best toast you've ever had in your life.

Thanos is pushing down a kid to get it... which is funny because he's basically the strongest villian later anti-hero in the marvel universe when it comes to a strength/intellegence combination...

and he's pushing down a kid to get what he wants.

I find it funny and a good reminder that everyone does things that are stupid and ridiculious.  I mean it's someone who killed half the universe and could of ruled as supreme being if it wasn't for his own psychological hangups... and he's pushing down a little kid to get what he wants.

 



BTFeather55 said:
Kasz216 said:
BTFeather55 said:
Kasz216 said:
BTFeather55 said:
Kasz216 said:
BTFeather55 said:

TheRealMafoo asked:

"So back to the point of this thread. Should it be ok for Washington to target small groups of people, and take money they have earned just because government feels they don't "deserve" it?"

To answer your question, imo, if such money is an extraordinary amount that is going to go to aid a very small number of people much to the detriment of the majority of the people in our society, then I believe they should.

You also believe the Illuminati caused the economic crisis.

 

 

     Yeah, and you believe that being able to take what they donate in charity off of their taxes has nothing to do with the amount of money that the wealthy conservatives donate to charity.

 

No.  Actually I do think it matters.  Because if you can't take the money off you that means you have less of a net at the end of the year.

What i don't believe is that people give money becuse of the tax breaks.  Which is logical.  What do i gain by giving 1,000 dollars to say 350 dollars in taxes?

In general people doante what they are comfortable with... or some people... what they are sligtly uncomfortable with.

This is a reasonable position.  the Illuiminati... not so much.

 

      As William Cooper would say, whenever you have people in a scoiety that have fundamentally more than other people in that society you have a power elite which has a vested interest in protecting its own interests which is why you largely hear the people over $250,000.00 in this society saying, "Oh, Obama is going to raise taxes on us to help out those peons we call our workers (slaves) boo hoo hoo.  Trying to elevate the poor people in our society so that they can drive cars just as good as our CTS or go on European vacations instead of working hard all day at backbreaking labor forcing them to do we want them to is Communistic and Socialistic."

     That power elite can be called an Illuminati even if it has nothing to do with Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati.

Democrats make on average make more money then Republicans.

The "us vs them" rich vs poor arguement of Republicans vs Democrats is nothing but an excuse for people to feel put opon and blame others rather then take stock of their own lives.

Bill Gates for example... is a democrat, so is Warren Buffet, just about everyone in Holywood... rich people in general are democrats.

 

        So, Democrats make on average more money than Republicans.  I would think that would be true because Democrats are smarter than most Republicans.  And that is why you find Democrats most often occupying most of the jobs in sciences and the arts which should be professions that earn the most money.

     It is also true that poor people tend to do better in our society under Democratic leadership rather than Republican leadership in spite of the fact that Republicans donate the most money to charity.

Is it true?  Or is this once again just stuff you've heard and decided to pass off as fact without looking in to anything?

The "Democrats do better then Republicans" when it comes to the economy tale for example is a case of political cherry picking.

For example.  Since like World War 2.  Every Republican president who took power inherted a war.

Outside of Obama the last democratic president to inherit a war has been...  I'm not even sure i can name one.

Also, republicans usually tend to come into power right when recessions start... not because they caused them because they havent' been in office during the buildup... but because when money is tight people become more conservative. 

Once again until Bush and his Neo-Cons cocked it all up.

Democrats have largely been the "Start wars" presidents.  Another funny contradiction between the republicans and democrats.

The Republicans are the ones who want to build up the armies... but the democrats are the ones who use them.

Both parties are thoroughly flawed, though in dfiferent ways.  It was hoped they would balance out each others faults, but instead they draw out the worst of each other and each try to get as many faults as possible through damn the consequences.



Kasz216 said:

Both parties are thoroughly flawed, though in dfiferent ways.  It was hoped they would balance out each others faults, but instead they draw out the worst of each other and each try to get as many faults as possible through damn the consequences.

Yeah, its because having two parties tend to polarize everything.  Parties in general tend to polarize things.

But I am happy at least that the Democratic Party has representatives from so many different parties of the country that they are fighting more amongst themselves than they were before.  I'm not the kind of person who is naive enough to believe that if a political party agrees on everything amongst themselves that it is a good thing.  This is why I think the Republican Party is headed down the wrong fork in the road right now.

They should absolutely keep their fiscal conservatism (assuming they ever had it in the first place...which is quite questionable if you ask me).  But do they really have to take a hard line on every other issue?  Anti-science, anti-environment, anti-gay rights, anti-immigrant, anti-women's rights, anti-Muslim, anti-universal healthcare, etc.

I have always been more comfortable with the Democratic Party because they are more flexible and pro-intellectualism and science.  I'm always for looking at the facts.  And I don't really give a shit what other people do.  You wanna have crazy gay sex, go ahead.  You want to smoke pot, go ahead.  You want to practice a religion different than mine, I don't care.

I don't think Republicans are as callous as most people make them out to be, but in many ways they encourage people to interpret their actions that way.  Issues like the environment and healthcare are perfect examples.  The same goes for their stance on many women's rights issues.  I mean I don't expect, or even suggest, that the Republican Party should switch to pro-life or anything, but Republicans have a real image problem.  Far too often they act like they are in their own little world with sound-proof walls.

 

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

we should have a 3 party system We should model our political system after Starcraft.



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That Guy said:
we should have a 3 party system We should model our political system after Starcraft.

I'd vote for the Zerg.  Fuck all y'all.



akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:

Both parties are thoroughly flawed, though in dfiferent ways.  It was hoped they would balance out each others faults, but instead they draw out the worst of each other and each try to get as many faults as possible through damn the consequences.

Yeah, its because having two parties tend to polarize everything.  Parties in general tend to polarize things.

But I am happy at least that the Democratic Party has representatives from so many different parties of the country that they are fighting more amongst themselves than they were before.  I'm not the kind of person who is naive enough to believe that if a political party agrees on everything amongst themselves that it is a good thing.  This is why I think the Republican Party is headed down the wrong fork in the road right now.

They should absolutely keep their fiscal conservatism (assuming they ever had it in the first place...which is quite questionable if you ask me).  But do they really have to take a hard line on every other issue?  Anti-science, anti-environment, anti-gay rights, anti-immigrant, anti-women's rights, anti-Muslim, anti-universal healthcare, etc.

I have always been more comfortable with the Democratic Party because they are more flexible and pro-intellectualism and science.  I'm always for looking at the facts.  And I don't really give a shit what other people do.  You wanna have crazy gay sex, go ahead.  You want to smoke pot, go ahead.  You want to practice a religion different than mine, I don't care.

I don't think Republicans are as callous as most people make them out to be, but in many ways they encourage people to interpret their actions that way.  Issues like the environment and healthcare are perfect examples.  The same goes for their stance on many women's rights issues.  I mean I don't expect, or even suggest, that the Republican Party should switch to pro-life or anything, but Republicans have a real image problem.  Far too often they act like they are in their own little world with sound-proof walls.

 

 

See I disagree.  There are tons of facts that democrats ignore too.. for example the ones involvign gun rights.

The democrats aren't anymore split then the republicans either.  There is plenty of stuff they didn't get passed that Bush liked that was unpoular.  Like Immigration reform.

 

 



I would like to postulate the notion that those people that think America is heading in a very unAmerican socialistic direction don't really understand the original vision that the founding fathers had of America. Really, I feel that both Capitalism as it is now and Socialism as it appeared in the late nineteenth century came after the founding fathers. What would people that fought tooth and nail to keep kings out of this country in favor of an egalitarian society of sharecroppers think of billionaires and millionaires that are very much like modern kings.

Really, imo there is no more evidence that the founding fathers would have endorsed capitalism and more evidence that they would have been in favor of socialism. The same people that fought to make this nation free also were in many cases pro-piracy against the controlling elite of their time.

William Burroughs:

Cities of the Red Night - Foreword
The liberal principles embodied in the French and American revolutions and later in the liberal revolutions of 1848 had already been codified and put into practice by pirate communes a hundred years earlier. Here is a quote from Under the Black Flag by Don C. Seitz:

"Captain Mission was one of the forbears of the French Revolution. He was one hundred years in advance of his time, for his career was based upon an initial desire to better adjust the affairs of mankind, which ended as is quite usual in the more liberal adjustment of his own fortunes. It is related how Captain Mission, having led his ship to victory against an English man-of-war, called a meeting of the crew. Those who wished to follow him he would welcome and treat as brothers; those who did not would be safely set ashore. One and all embraced the New Freedom. Some were hoisting the Black Flag at once but Mission demurred, saying that they were not pirates but liberty lovers, fighting for equal rights against all nations subject to the tyranny of government, and bespoke a white flag as the more fitting emblem. The ship's money was put in a chest to be used as common property. Clothes were now distributed to all in need and the republic of the sea was in full operation.

Mission bespoke them to live in strict harmony among themselves; that a misplaced society would adjudge them still as pirates. Self-preservation, therefore, and not a cruel disposition, compelled them to declare war on all nations who should close their ports to them. "I declare such a war and at the same time recommend to you a humane and generous behavior towards your prisoners, which will appear by so much more the effects of a noble soul as we are satisfied we should not meet the same treatment should our ill fortune or want of courage give us up to their mercy..." The Nieustadt of Amsterdamn was made prize, giving up two thousand pounds and gold dust and seventeen slaves. The slaves were added to the crew and clothed in the Dutchman's spare garments; Mission made an address denouncing slavery, holding that men who sold others like beasts proved their religion to be no more than a grimace as no man had power of liberty over another..."

Mission explored the Madagascar coast and found a bay ten leagues north of DiИgo-Suarez. It was resolved to establish here the shore quarters of the Republic - erect a town, build docks, and have a place they might call their own. The colony was called Libertatia and was placed under Articles drawn up by Captain Mission. The Articles state, among other things:

All decisions with regard to the colony to be submitted to vote by the colonists; the abolition of slavery for any reason including debt; the abolition of the death penalty; and freedom to follow any religious beliefs or practices without sanction or molestation.

Captain Mission's colony, which numbered about three hundred, was wiped out by a surprise attack from the natives, and Captain Mission was killed shortly afterwards in a sea battle. There were other such colonies in the West Indies and in Central and South America, but they were not able to maintain themselves since they were not sufficiently populous to withstand attack. Had they been able to do so, the history of the world could have been altered. Imagine a number of such fortified positions all through South America and the West Indies, stretching from Africa to Madagascar and Malaya and the East Indies, all offering refuge to fugitives from slavery and oppression: "Come to us and live under the Articles."

At once we have allies in all those who are enslaved and oppressed throughout the world, from the cotton plantations of the American South to the sugar plantations of the West Indies, the whole Indian population of the Amreican continent peonized and degraded by the Spanish into subhuman poverty and ignorance, exterminated by the Americans, infected with their vices and diseases, the natives of Africa and Asia - all these are potential allies. Fortified positions supported by and supporting guerilla hit-and-run bands; supplied with soldiers, weapons, medicines and information by the local populations... such a combination would be unbeatable. If the whole American army couldn't beat the Viet Cong at a time when fortified positions were rendered obsolete by artillery and air strikes, certainly the armies of Europe, operating in unfamiliar territory and susceptile to all the disabling diseases of tropical countries, could not have beaten guerrilla tactics plus fortified positions. Consider the difficulties which such an invading army would face: continual harassment from the guerrillas, a totally hostile population always ready with poison, misdirection, snakes and spiders in the general's bed, armadillos carrying the deadly earth-eating disease rooting under the barracks and adopted as mascots by the regiment as dysentery and malaria take their toll. The sieges could not but present a series of military disasters. There is no stopping the Articulated. The white man is retroactively relieved of his burden. Whites will be welcomed as workers, settlers, teachers, and technicians, but not as colonists or masters. No man may violate the Articles."

http://imperium.lenin.ru/LENIN/32/C/wsb.html



Heavens to Murgatoids.

The Ghost of RubangB said:
That Guy said:
we should have a 3 party system We should model our political system after Starcraft.

I'd vote for the Zerg.  Fuck all y'all.

 

kerrigan is kind of hot



The Ghost of RubangB said:
That Guy said:
we should have a 3 party system We should model our political system after Starcraft.

I'd vote for the Zerg.  Fuck all y'all.


I'll get my "For the Swarm" fliers. This is a political movement I can get behind.

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