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theprof00 on 17 March 2009
chasmatic12 said:
theprof00 said:
im not mad at rol (wtf?!?lulz!?!)

I'm just saying that you were obviously trying to make a point. Just like impulse was. I don't care about any of it, you're both wrong.
And you flat out lied when you said nobody mentioned HD and then called my post irrelevant. The OP said that if you combined 360 and PS3 then it would beat the wii's sales. I don't agree with that statement, but it seems like, especially now that you still seem to think that nobody mentioned HD, you just didn't read anything he wrote...
that's all I'm saying, sorry if I made you guys upset. Just read the posts your respond to and behave please.

Show me, by quoting my posts, where I posted wrong information. EXHIBIT A

Then show me, also by quoting me, where I mentioned anything about an HD system in my post. EXHIBIT B

 

And even though I read his post in its entirety, I wasn't responding to it. I was responding only to the portion that I highlighted. Do you know why? Because I wasn't trying to make a point. I was just proving those statements wrong. So please read all posts you respond to in their entirety.

 

EXHIBIT A:

"the Wii games sell the 16+ million that successful HD games sell then talk about how its a sea change. There have been dozens of 10 million+ sellers on the PS systems over the years and very very few on Nintendo systems.  Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?"

"10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system:

Grand Turismo (PS), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2), Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2), Grand Theft Auto III (PS2), Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system: 5

10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system:

Wii Sports (Wii), Wii Play (Wii), Wii Fit (Wii), Mario Kart Wii (Wii), Super Mario 64 (N64), Super Mario Bros (NES), Duck Hunt (NES), Super Mario Bros 3 (NES), Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Allstars (SNES), Pokemon Red/Blue (GB), Pokemon Yellow (GB), Tetris (GB), Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB), Super Mario Land (GB), Super Mario Land 2 (GB), Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA), Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA), Nintedogs (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS), Brain Training (DS), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), More Brain Training (DS), Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)"

you do a commednable job showing that there are no "dozens of 10 million+ sellers", not even one.  However, you post false information when you list the 10m+ sellers on Nintendo, given the context of your post. You cannot simply say that you only highlighted the parts you were responding to and that everything else was irrelevant because he originally wrote:

"especially with 3rd party sales"- he specifically says that this is within context of 3rd party games and further carries the 3rd party argument when he concludes, asking "Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?"

another poster also writes

"Sort of strange that you quote a post asking about the list of top selling 3rd party games for the Wii, and then you give a list of games all of which were published by Nintendo (except for Mario & Sonic, but I'm willing to bet the use of Mario wasn't free)."

and you responded that the context outside the highlighted area doesn't matter. That is what is called "cherry picking".

EXHIBIT B

"The portion of his post that I highlighted doesn't say anything about 3rd party sales. Even if he was referring to 3rd party sales, his statement was still flat out wrong."

I can't find an HD game that has sold 16+million... isn't GTAIV at 12 million or something?

- in short, you can't just exclude details of a post and respond to part of it. It would be akin to me saying:

"On a really hot day people like to go to the pool because the water is cold and everyone likes to stay cool"

and then you replying:
""On a really hot day people like to go to the pool because the water is cold and everyone likes to stay cool""

"people don't go to pools on cold days, that is just stupid"

and then after someone makes a fuss about what you said,

"it doesn't matter if its hot, nobody likes cold water, they like heated pools"



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Alterego-X on 17 March 2009
theprof00 said:If I were an arrogant prick, I would say something like "those 5 PS games are better than those 25 nintendo games"

but if I were a rational human being, I would say something like "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems."

You wouldn't be ratinal, just uninformed. 


 

 

Unfortunatelly I don't have any more fresh data, but it shows well how Wii 3rd party is comparable to the other two, and it is LIKELY to be first even today. 



theprof00 on 17 March 2009
wfz said:

I understand what you're saying, I have the whole time, but I still stand by what I said. What's with the personal insults?

You knowingly exclude data (I do? I just simply said that the data that was posted said that 3rd parties on wii doesn't look too great as M&S is only at 7m. I did not exclude any data, because I did not post it in the first place. However, by having not listed any 3rd party 10m+ sellers he proved the guys point, which was that there are no 10m+ 3rd party games on the wii)

 

 It is obvious that there are other games besides 10m+ sellers, (less than 10m sellers) and then think you can make a rational conclusion based on third party sales?

Nope, I specifically said "based on that data" I had no intention of going through the list because there is no point to. I am not arguing that wii sells less 3rd party games, it might completely dwarf the HD console 3rd games in total. I am saying that chas did not show anything to the contrary of the OP except that there aren't "dozens of ps 10m+ sellers"

 

His post only covered 10m+ sellers, but that in no way should be taken as the ultimatum for third party sales, that's ridiculous.

?? I do not understand what this means. Ultimatum is a "take it or leave it" I do not understand how the word fits in, and it seems like it should be a central part of this sentence according to the syntax.ALso, who is "his"? if it is the OP, then I would argue that he said 3rd party. If you mean chas, then I would argue that he was cherry picking the OPs post.

That's not even the point he was trying to make, so you were twisting his post around to make your silly conclusion.

Twisting what around? I'm just saying that he wasn't saying anything. I'm not twisting anything because there is no need to.

He never said that the list should be indicative of overall third party sales, yet that's how you took it. You took his post and twisted it into a conclusion that fit your argument. Great going.

Because of the context of the OP, which said 3rd party games. Again, cherry picking


Someone told him that there were many more 10+ PS million sellers than Nintendo million sellers, so he made a list to prove them wrong.

3rd party

That's all he did. You took his post and twisted it around, pretending that he made it a "rational" conclusion to prove that third party games have better sales on HD consoles.

It was always about 3rd party

Speaking of which, why did your post turn to HD? His list consisted of games on the PS brand and the Nintendo brand. Not only did he NOT mention the 360, but NONE of the consoles he mentioned in that 10m+ list were HD consoles!

The OP said that if you added ps3 to 360 it would equal wii sales (I don't agree btw). Again, cherry picking

That makes your conclusion even more far fetched. Nice going.

 

 

 



theprof00 on 17 March 2009
Alterego-X said:
theprof00 said:If I were an arrogant prick, I would say something like "those 5 PS games are better than those 25 nintendo games"

but if I were a rational human being, I would say something like "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems."

You wouldn't be ratinal, just uninformed. 


 

 

Unfortunatelly I don't have any more fresh data, but it shows well how Wii 3rd party is comparable to the other two, and it is LIKELY to be first even today. 

alterego, I don't mean to be a dick, but you do notice that I said "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems."

I'm not making the conlusion, I'm just letting him know what his own post says.

You understand right? I really am not trying to hassle you.

 



theprof00 on 17 March 2009
RolStoppable said:
theprof00, two major things stand out in your post:

1) You criticize chasmatic12 for listing Nintendo published 10-million sellers (as did the other person), but you don't criticize him for throwing in Sony published 10-million sellers. This reeks of bias and indicates that you are more interested in making Nintendo (systems and games) look bad than you are interested in viewing things objectively.

2) He really didn't mention an HD system in his post. Your "exhibit" is only showing the mention of an HD game. He even underlined HD system in his post to help you reading the post correctly.

 

 

there was no need to exclude the ps2 games, firstly because the games are third party, and do in fact fit the context of being on a ps brand system. In addition, leaving those games there does more damage to whoever the OP was (not chas)  because it is quite the opposite of the OP's "dozens of 10m+ sellers."

If there were some other ulterior motive I had for doing that, then I would agree that it would have been biased and extremely unfair. But it is not the case.

I wrote below the "exhibit B" that the original context mentioned a part about mixing the 360/PS3 sales together. But that really has nothing to do with anything. Chas was saying that "nobody even mentioned HD" when in fact the OP did.

 

 



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theprof00 on 17 March 2009

Like I said before, rol and wfz, it is not about the point. I do not agree or endorse the views of the OP in any regard. I am merely saying that I think chas posted some unnecessary information under a cherry picked list to make up for the fact that the highest selling wii 3rd party was 7m.
I, for one, feel like he manipulated the information, and I called him on it. The reason I brattishly told you to mind your business (I'm sure you get my humor enough rol to know it was not meant to offend), was because I did not want to have to argue with three people at a time, which, as I noted on your wall rol is something that happens a lot when you argue with a wii fan. Additionally, whenever three or four people argue at the same time the points of all four start to diverge, which is another reason why I asked you to stay out of the conversation.
Sorry if I offended you.



theprof00 on 17 March 2009

? it really doesn't matter if GT is third party or not, I'm not a fact checker. It was never about whose facts were right.



theprof00 on 17 March 2009

rol, your post is pretty correct, I really don't have any point at all, other than chas listed N games to make up for the tiny wii game's sales.
Like driving a really really expensive car if.........



theprof00 on 17 March 2009
RolStoppable said:
theprof00 said:
? it really doesn't matter if GT is third party or not, I'm not a fact checker. It was never about whose facts were right.

It's alright, you can stop now. You have been exposed.

 

 

it's only logical that after not only saying that I was "biased and only out to make Nintendo look bad", based on incorrect assumptions, that you would try and refute the entire page based on one game that doesn't even have anything to do with anything.

well played

what a second doesn't this make you biased and out to make nintendo look good? (indirectly)



theprof00 on 17 March 2009

lol maybe we should stop reading your OPs I always thought you were on the up and up, a real straight shooter. Apparently you shoot with a wiimote lulz