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Final-Fan said:

Or possibly it's because that version of events is not in fact true.  This was handled on the first page(for me anyway, at 50 per); please rebut the WSJ article A_T found that refutes your story.   

From what I had time to read, WSJ article said that banks and mortgage lenders have been lending to higher risk applicants for a few years now, not neccessary to income groups that often contained minorities.

I won't directly refute the WSJ, because I don't have the time or will.  I will add to it however.  The "Affordable Housing" campain the government has been in effect since the 1990's.  Those people who blame free-market for the housing collapse should know that government has been meddling in housing loans for years.  Many places, the government has been changing the loaning policies where the housing was already affordable.  Some places did need intervention, however, as the cost of putting a roof over their head was about 1/2 of their income.  It would be tempting to blame free market for that also, but it was often the fault of government restrictions with nice names.

My source just happens to be Thomas Sowell because I was reading one of his articles before posting this.  I will probably come across another source in an hour or so.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2009/03/18/false_solutions_and_real_problems?page=1

 




 

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Thomas Sowell is such a hack.  I'm not saying he can't ever make a good point but he's not anyone I respect.  About a month ago he had a column blaming the housing crisis on the CRA which is not only wrong but really old news -- that allegation was all over the internet many months ago, and he added absolutely nothing to the discussion. 

The failure of government in this was the REMOVAL of restrictions, not the addition of them.  Jackson's recent post is one I believe I agree with. 



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Final-Fan said:

Thomas Sowell is such a hack.  I'm not saying he can't ever make a good point but he's not anyone I respect.  About a month ago he had a column blaming the housing crisis on the CRA which is not only wrong but really old news -- that allegation was all over the internet many months ago, and he added absolutely nothing to the discussion. 

The failure of government in this was the REMOVAL of restrictions, not the addition of them.  Jackson's recent post is one I believe I can agree with. 

May be true.  That is why it is not very good to rely on one source all the time.  I was just happening to be reading one of his articles that I used in the last post.

Anyway, I think we have said everything there is to say on the subject.  Always re-assuring to find people that are well informed out there, even if their views differ from my own.  Too often I find run into people whose views, whether they agree with mine or not, are formed from blissful ignorance.

 




 

Jackson50 said:
Senlis said:

What got us here is politicians (Democrats in particular, who would have guessed). They pressure Sallie Mae and Freddie Mac into loaning to people who were not qualified for the loans. The reasons the politicians gave for doing this was that many of the people were minorities. SM&FM were not rejecting the loans based on race, but because they did not qualify based on income and credit. Despite that SM&FM approved the loans due to political pressure.

The loans fell through when the applicants couldn't pay them, and that caused the housing market problem. Funny that not very many people hear that version of the events.

I agree that government got us here, but I have different reasons.

It is specious reasoning to blame the crisis on the CRA and Sallie/Freddie. They may have been minor contributors to the crisis, but there are other culprits that, in my opinion, were the main contributors to this crisis. The Fed is culpable in its role in this crisis. It kept interest rates too low for too long. Also, you have a decision by the SEC in 2004, which is when subprime lending increased markedly, to allow certain banks to increase their debt-to-asset ratio. Some, from what I have read, had a debt-to-asset ratio as high as 50-to-1 which significantly increased their risk. The five banks that particpated in this program either failed (Lehman Brothers),  were acquired by bank holding companies (Bear Stearns and Merril Lynch), or converted to bank holding companies (Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley).

 

 

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But its the dems fault! Plus all those people who took out loans they can't pay!

Forget the fact that companies are supposed to be responsible and try to make a profit....



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Lol, good old Sallie Mae is hot, but Fannie is so much hotter.



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Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had?



Well he just made fun of handicapped ppl on Leno with his Special Olympics joke.  Pretty dumb to me.