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TheRealMafoo said:
mmnin said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Final-Fan, Give Obama time, I am sure he will do as many things to piss you off as Bush did.

What seems like a stupid decision at the time, may end up being the most brilliant decision ever made by a president.  That's why basic History courses only go up to about 30 yrs before present day, because it is hard to interprete and cast judgement on history until it "becomes" history

 

I don't have the time or energy to respond to all of this, but I assume with the quote I left behind, you have yet to criticize the war in Iraq? I mean we still need to wait 20 something years before we know if it was a good idea or not.

We don't know the overall outcome in Iraq or the implications that going into Iraq are going to have in the long term, that is why some people think its a mistake to keep people there while others think its a mistake to leave.

I'm not going to pretend to know whether or not the Iraq war will ultimately have been a good idea, but I do not like the tactics that Bush used to get us INTO the war.  That was an immediate display of character.  He used our fear of terrorism at the time to generate popular support to help him partake in an agenda of his own.  Whether or not the decision was a good one is irrelevant to the method of his actions.

 




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mmnin said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mmnin said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Final-Fan, Give Obama time, I am sure he will do as many things to piss you off as Bush did.

What seems like a stupid decision at the time, may end up being the most brilliant decision ever made by a president.  That's why basic History courses only go up to about 30 yrs before present day, because it is hard to interprete and cast judgement on history until it "becomes" history

 

I don't have the time or energy to respond to all of this, but I assume with the quote I left behind, you have yet to criticize the war in Iraq? I mean we still need to wait 20 something years before we know if it was a good idea or not.

We don't know the overall outcome in Iraq or the implications that going into Iraq are going to have in the long term, that is why some people think its a mistake to keep people there while others think its a mistake to leave.

I'm not going to pretend to know whether or not the Iraq war will ultimately have been a good idea, but I do not like the tactics that Bush used to get us INTO the war.  That was an immediate display of character.  He used our fear of terrorism at the time to generate popular support to help him partake in an agenda of his own.  Whether or not the decision was a good one is irrelevant to the method of his actions.

 

 

Nice Answer.



TheRealMafoo said:
mmnin said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mmnin said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Final-Fan, Give Obama time, I am sure he will do as many things to piss you off as Bush did.

What seems like a stupid decision at the time, may end up being the most brilliant decision ever made by a president.  That's why basic History courses only go up to about 30 yrs before present day, because it is hard to interprete and cast judgement on history until it "becomes" history

 

I don't have the time or energy to respond to all of this, but I assume with the quote I left behind, you have yet to criticize the war in Iraq? I mean we still need to wait 20 something years before we know if it was a good idea or not.

We don't know the overall outcome in Iraq or the implications that going into Iraq are going to have in the long term, that is why some people think its a mistake to keep people there while others think its a mistake to leave.

I'm not going to pretend to know whether or not the Iraq war will ultimately have been a good idea, but I do not like the tactics that Bush used to get us INTO the war.  That was an immediate display of character.  He used our fear of terrorism at the time to generate popular support to help him partake in an agenda of his own.  Whether or not the decision was a good one is irrelevant to the method of his actions.

 

 

Nice Answer.

 

thanks for giving me something to talk about.




Avinash_Tyagi said:
FDR didn't cause the great depression, he wasn't even in office until years after it began.

As for prolonging it, the only thing he did that prolonged it was trying to balance the budget and cut government spending in 1937

My mistake, I was typing this at work and got my sentances mixed up.

Hoover caused the great depression.  FDR prolonged it.  Look at this article by economist Thomas Sowell

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/12/23/another_great_depression?page=1

"The Vedder and Gallaway statistics allow us to follow unemployment month by month. They put the unemployment rate at 5 percent in November 1929, a month after the stock market crash. It hit 9 percent in December-- but then began a generally downward trend, subsiding to 6.3 percent in June 1930.

That was when the Smoot-Hawley tariffs were passed, against the advice of economists across the country, who warned of dire consequences.

Five months after the Smoot-Hawley tariffs, the unemployment rate hit double digits for the first time in the 1930s."

[...]

"The stock market crash, which has been blamed for the widespread suffering during the Great Depression of the 1930s, created no unemployment rate that was even half of what was created in the wake of the government interventions of Hoover and FDR.

Politically, however, Franklin D. Roosevelt could not have been more successful. After all, he was the only President of the United States elected four times in a row. He was a master of political rhetoric."

[...]

"Today, increasing numbers of scholars recognize that FDR's own policies were a further extension of interventions begun under Hoover. Moreover, the temporary rise in unemployment after the stock market crash was nowhere near the massive and long-lasting unemployment after government interventions."




 

Senlis said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
FDR didn't cause the great depression, he wasn't even in office until years after it began.

As for prolonging it, the only thing he did that prolonged it was trying to balance the budget and cut government spending in 1937

My mistake, I was typing this at work and got my sentances mixed up.

Hoover caused the great depression.  FDR prolonged it.  Look at this article by economist Thomas Sowell

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/12/23/another_great_depression?page=1

"The Vedder and Gallaway statistics allow us to follow unemployment month by month. They put the unemployment rate at 5 percent in November 1929, a month after the stock market crash. It hit 9 percent in December-- but then began a generally downward trend, subsiding to 6.3 percent in June 1930.

That was when the Smoot-Hawley tariffs were passed, against the advice of economists across the country, who warned of dire consequences.

Five months after the Smoot-Hawley tariffs, the unemployment rate hit double digits for the first time in the 1930s."

[...]

"The stock market crash, which has been blamed for the widespread suffering during the Great Depression of the 1930s, created no unemployment rate that was even half of what was created in the wake of the government interventions of Hoover and FDR.

Politically, however, Franklin D. Roosevelt could not have been more successful. After all, he was the only President of the United States elected four times in a row. He was a master of political rhetoric."

[...]

"Today, increasing numbers of scholars recognize that FDR's own policies were a further extension of interventions begun under Hoover. Moreover, the temporary rise in unemployment after the stock market crash was nowhere near the massive and long-lasting unemployment after government interventions."

Thomas Sowell is the biggest crackpot and one of the most blindly conservative political commentators I have ever read.  Please, if you are going to make the FDR prolonged the Depression argument, cite someone who isn't a complete partisan hack.



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Senlis said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
FDR didn't cause the great depression, he wasn't even in office until years after it began.

As for prolonging it, the only thing he did that prolonged it was trying to balance the budget and cut government spending in 1937

My mistake, I was typing this at work and got my sentances mixed up.

Hoover caused the great depression.  FDR prolonged it.  Look at this article by economist Thomas Sowell

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/12/23/another_great_depression?page=1

"The Vedder and Gallaway statistics allow us to follow unemployment month by month. They put the unemployment rate at 5 percent in November 1929, a month after the stock market crash. It hit 9 percent in December-- but then began a generally downward trend, subsiding to 6.3 percent in June 1930.

That was when the Smoot-Hawley tariffs were passed, against the advice of economists across the country, who warned of dire consequences.

Five months after the Smoot-Hawley tariffs, the unemployment rate hit double digits for the first time in the 1930s."

[...]

"The stock market crash, which has been blamed for the widespread suffering during the Great Depression of the 1930s, created no unemployment rate that was even half of what was created in the wake of the government interventions of Hoover and FDR.

Politically, however, Franklin D. Roosevelt could not have been more successful. After all, he was the only President of the United States elected four times in a row. He was a master of political rhetoric."

[...]

"Today, increasing numbers of scholars recognize that FDR's own policies were a further extension of interventions begun under Hoover. Moreover, the temporary rise in unemployment after the stock market crash was nowhere near the massive and long-lasting unemployment after government interventions."

 

 

 Recheck your history, first off the Tariff was passed in 1930, well before FDR was elected in 1932, secondly unemployment was over 23.6% before FDR was elected, during his first term in office he reduced it below 17%



 

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Read some of halogamer's points. You guys need to realize that you aren't the only ones with opinions. As for me, I think Obama is a strong socialist and I have a right to criticize him. In less than 1 mth he has added more debt than all previous 200 yrs combined. I'll keep my money thanks, you keep the change



covertCIA said:
Read some of halogamer's points. You guys need to realize that you aren't the only ones with opinions. As for me, I think Obama is a strong socialist and I have a right to criticize him. In less than 1 mth he has added more debt than all previous 200 yrs combined. I'll keep my money thanks, you keep the change

 

 You do realize that the value of money normally inflates, so in real terms, the debt he has taken on isn't as big as you right wingers try to make it appear



 

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Avinash_Tyagi said:
covertCIA said:
Read some of halogamer's points. You guys need to realize that you aren't the only ones with opinions. As for me, I think Obama is a strong socialist and I have a right to criticize him. In less than 1 mth he has added more debt than all previous 200 yrs combined. I'll keep my money thanks, you keep the change

 

 You do realize that the value of money normally inflates, so in real terms, the debt he has taken on isn't as big as you right wingers try to make it appear

Yes I realize this.  The question is do you want it to?  I would much rather prefer a US that does not resemble the Weimar Republic or current Zimbabwe.

 



covertCIA said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
covertCIA said:
Read some of halogamer's points. You guys need to realize that you aren't the only ones with opinions. As for me, I think Obama is a strong socialist and I have a right to criticize him. In less than 1 mth he has added more debt than all previous 200 yrs combined. I'll keep my money thanks, you keep the change

 

 You do realize that the value of money normally inflates, so in real terms, the debt he has taken on isn't as big as you right wingers try to make it appear

Yes I realize this.  The question is do you want it to?  I would much rather prefer a US that does not resemble the Weimar Republic or current Zimbabwe.

 

What? Is that actually your mouth speaking? Because you have some chocolate on the edges you need to wipe off :)