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Who's talking about becoming less productive? I was talking about becoming more productive, surely resulting in more revenue and investing into the future for example by doing more R&D.



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MikeB said:

Nintendo of course only competes in gaming, I do think they should hire more people considering their solid economics.

Do you want to explain this? because in my eyes it makes little to no sense

 



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sony nokia and sony ericsson are the only green companies.

they spend huge money on ecology and release info how they dump their toxic waste and where.

but even them aren't perfect they still far a away from the 10.

nintendo only pro it's low power consumption but on the other hand they dont' keep records of toxic waste, and doens't have pro ecology systems going on.

so nobody knows what they can be doing with the chemicals of the NDS batteries but if they don't want to release it it can't be good.

and for they even getting a zero their should be employing kids in their fabrics and using toxic chemicals in their products but i doubt it since they been improving on that recently.
while the ps3 power comsumption its greater also CPU its more powerful and it used to help fight cancer and other diseases with folding at home.

and sony and sony ericsson are the only ones that almost completely removed toxic chemicals from their batteries.



kirby007 said:
MikeB said:

Nintendo of course only competes in gaming, I do think they should hire more people considering their solid economics.

Do you want to explain this? because in my eyes it makes little to no sense

Watch the movie Scrooge, then you'll probably understand.

 

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For example what's one person really to do with 40 billion USD like Bill Gates? Even when being extremely wasteful leading an extremely luxurious life he won't be able to spend 1 percent of his wealth.

Now if we would have seen this wealth distributed over 1 million American households, each having solid resources of 40K USD instead of living in poverty, that would have a major impact on the economy. Very good for productivity and society. Bill Gates sitting on his cash on the other hand is not productive.

Seriously IMO Bill Gates didn't reallly earn his Microsoft dollars by being productive, he was lucky enough IBM picked their version of Quick and Dirty OS (QDOS), but for the rest the company has rather been destructive rather than productive, anti-competitive measures and other market abuse which has put millions of people out of work worldwide, degraded the quality of computing controlled systems causing many accidents in the past and for the long run even participated in degrading in-depth computer knowledge at universities and increasing their dependecy.



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Onyxmeth said:

I don't see how it's possible that Nintendo, which is posting massive profits and is employing far fewer people than Sony can score worse in that category. Can someone explain how that could happen that has more knowledge on the subject?

 

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Kasz216 said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't see how it's possible that Nintendo, which is posting massive profits and is employing far fewer people than Sony can score worse in that category. Can someone explain how that could happen that has more knowledge on the subject?

They didn't give greenpeace any information.

So Greenpeace decided to just rank them low.

Also... for what they could get... it's an average.

So despite the fact that the PS3 wastes way more energy then the Wii...

Sony makes much more products.

SUUUUUUURE THEY DID. They got paid by Sony to publish this and i am sure they have nothing better to do than puting one small video game company on the bottom just because they want so. Seriously, the stupidest excuse i ever saw.

 



On a side note, the information Greenpeace did get was by opening up a wii and looking at the components and rate those on recyclability etc. And knowing Greenpeace, their benchmark for a 10 is recyclable wheat-donuts.

Nintendo and MS do not provide information for competitive reasons which is their right.

By the way, who has ever thrown their system away? My N64 is still working after 13 or so years.



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Jo21 said:

sony nokia and sony ericsson are the only green companies.

they spend huge money on ecology and release info how they dump their toxic waste and where.

but even them aren't perfect they still far a away from the 10.

nintendo only pro it's low power consumption but on the other hand they dont' keep records of toxic waste, and doens't have pro ecology systems going on.

so nobody knows what they can be doing with the chemicals of the NDS batteries but if they don't want to release it it can't be good.

and for they even getting a zero their should be employing kids in their fabrics and using toxic chemicals in their products but i doubt it since they been improving on that recently.
while the ps3 power comsumption its greater also CPU its more powerful and it used to help fight cancer and other diseases with folding at home.

and sony and sony ericsson are the only ones that almost completely removed toxic chemicals from their batteries.

 

No, just no.  Nintendo and Microsoft not giving in to the demands of a radical organisation says nothing about their practice.  Oh and folding has little relevance in this conversation, unless you want people pulling all the stories of the Wii helping reabilitate people and being used in hospitals etc.

I found this is 2 minutes just by looking at Nintendo's homepage:

 

What does Nintendo do to help protect the environment?

Nintendo is very concerned with doing our part to help preserve the environment. We're always researching new products and procedures to make our products and operations as environmental-friendly as possible.

Some things Nintendo is already doing:

    In Nintendo of America offices:

  • We recycle the paper we use company-wide.
  • We limit our use of colored paper, since it's not easily recycled.
  • We purchase recycled paper towels, report covers, message pads, and writing pads.
  • We currently recycle more than 70% of the waste that is generated at our headquarters.
  • We actively promote the recycling of aluminum cans, plastic bottles, and glass in our corporate cafeterias.
  • We re-use or recycle over 99% of any returned product that we receive from retailers and customers

    In our products:

  • We use at least 80% recycled paper in all of our shipping packaging.
  • We don't use Styrofoam in any of our packaging.
  • Many of our instruction manuals are printed on recycled paper.
  • Our clamshell packaging is recyclable and most recycling centers accept it.
  • As is stated in the manuals of the Wii console and DS Lite, neither product contains latex, lead, mercury, cadmium, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB), or polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE). Additionally, we have been phasing out the use of PVC in our packaging, using a safer, recyclable plastic instead.
  • We take great care to comply with all relevant regulations on avoiding the use of dangerous materials. All Nintendo products supplied worldwide are designed to comply with relevant global standards. In order to certify that Nintendo products comply with standards for hazardous chemical substances, Nintendo has established the Green Procurement Standards, which require our component suppliers to certify that any parts they deliver do not include hazardous chemical substances, and ensure that Nintendo fully controls its products internally.

    (For more information on Nintendo's environmental, corporate, and social responsibility initiatives, link here to our parent company's website.)

    Product Recycling:

  • Because old Nintendo products are still in high demand on the used market, we rarely receive requests for the recycling of older Nintendo products; however, for customers who are interested in recycling their products, we offer referrals to local recycling options, as well as a take-back program if local options are not available. For more information see the following:

      Disposal of rechargeable batteries:
      Rechargeable batteries may be taken to most local office supply stores and other disposal centers to be recycled for free. To find a collector site near you, please contact your local solid waste authority or visit: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/muncpl/battery.htm

      Disposal of old hardware or accessories:
      There are a variety of websites dedicated to providing information on local recycling options. For more information, please visit http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/recycle/ecycling/donate.htm

      If you are not able to take advantage of local recycling options for either rechargeable batteries or hardware, Nintendo of America has a take-back program for handling recycling for you. Please contact us to make arrangements to have it sent in to Nintendo to be recycled by calling 1-800-255-3700. Representatives are available to speak to you between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. Pacific Time, seven days a week.

 

 

All of this was only on the US site, the link to the parent (JP) company site has even more information..

Really everyone, I posted two links to the threads about this when it was current which seem to have been ignored.  Why are we still going round in circles about this?



MikeB said:

IMO this is a company's responsibility. You can do more by employing more people as well as you're helping the global community. Sony is a highly competitive company, with many competitors for many different market segments.


Microsoft mainly relies on its desktop OS monopoly ever since they bought the Quick and Dirty OS CP/M ripp-off, renamed MSDOS. Nintendo of course only competes in gaming, I do think they should hire more people considering their solid economics.

It's not a company's responsibility to hire people just because they have the money. That is bloody insane. Sony isn't doing the world any favors, they (were) a poorly run company that allowed its divisions too much autonomy, making redundant products and products that were subpar by market standards.

Seriously, Mike, you need to take a step back and think about some of these things you say. Yes, MS makes more money and they've aggressively tried expanding into consumer electronics with that money. If Nintendo keeps riding this pale white horse through town, expect them to do the same down the road.

Stop trying to find ways to congratulate Sony executives for finding ways to run the premiere electronics corporation into the ground over the past half decade.




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