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antfromtashkent on 11 March 2009

I thought about this when i got into an argument with my friend about rock bands.

I feel that some people use things like: Well i watch low budget movies and movies no one ever heard of and i think that those are some of the best movies ever, and the big "mainstream" movies are just trash because they have big budgets and its not hard to create them.

This goes the same for the people that like obsure bands or rare/different country video games.

I some how always feel like they are saying well im better than you because i am more open minded and you are just a pesant for following the crouds.

Well i dissagree.. I watch A LOT of movies, I listen to A LOT of music, and i play A LOT of video games...i dont like movies w/ small budgets, terrible special effects, a story that makes no sence and bad acting for the sake that the person had an "artistic" vision... i dont like obsure bands with weird music and song lyrics that make no sence. It might make sence in the mind of the "artist", but to pretend that it makes sence to you is just ridiculous...

Is there any one else?



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akuma587 on 11 March 2009

I've watched close to 2000 movies and I love small budget movies. If a movie is good, a movie is good. That's all there is to it. And sometimes a movie is so "bad" that it is "good," like Plan 9 From Outer Space.

I typically judge small budget movies by a slightly different standard. I also judge action movie by a slightly different standard. I also judge chick flicks by a slightly different standard. I also judge comedies by a slightly different standard.

I'm the same way with artists who aren't quite so well known. I typically expect something different from them than I do mainstream artists, typically for them to be more adventuresome with their music and do more innovative things.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Words Of Wisdom on 11 March 2009
antfromtashkent said:

Well i dissagree.. I watch A LOT of movies, I listen to A LOT of music, and i play A LOT of video games...i dont like movies w/ small budgets, terrible special effects, a story that makes no sence and bad acting for the sake that the person had an "artistic" vision... i dont like obsure bands with weird music and song lyrics that make no sence. It might make sence in the mind of the "artist", but to pretend that it makes sence to you is just ridiculous...

Is there any one else?

Did you perhaps mean it the other way around:  "I don't like directors/movie makers who make poor attempts to justify their bad movies by claiming it's their 'artistic vision.'"

Regardless, a bad movie is a bad movie.



antfromtashkent on 11 March 2009
akuma587 said:
I've watched close to 2000 movies and I love small budget movies. If a movie is good, a movie is good. That's all there is to it. And sometimes a movie is so "bad" that it is "good," like Plan 9 From Outer Space.

I typically judge small budget movies by a slightly different standard. I also judge action movie by a slightly different standard. I also judge chick flicks by a slightly different standard. I also judge comedies by a slightly different standard.

I'm the same way with artists who aren't quite so well known. I typically expect something different from them than I do mainstream artists, typically for them to be more adventuresome with their music and do more innovative things.

 

i agree, but i feel like a lot of people feel like if they are watching obscure movies they feel like they know a lot more about movies than you do... i have been watching a lot of obscure movies lately and its just not the same as watching a hollywood blockbuster... My dvd collection is now 489 strong and most of them are hollywood hits, not to say that all hollywood movies are good.... not even remotely close....

i love movies but do i have to like obscure/low budget movies as well to be a true movie lover?



antfromtashkent on 11 March 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:
antfromtashkent said:

Well i dissagree.. I watch A LOT of movies, I listen to A LOT of music, and i play A LOT of video games...i dont like movies w/ small budgets, terrible special effects, a story that makes no sence and bad acting for the sake that the person had an "artistic" vision... i dont like obsure bands with weird music and song lyrics that make no sence. It might make sence in the mind of the "artist", but to pretend that it makes sence to you is just ridiculous...

Is there any one else?

Did you perhaps mean it the other way around:  "I don't like directors/movie makers who make poor attempts to justify their bad movies by claiming it's their 'artistic vision.'"

Regardless, a bad movie is a bad movie.

I will give you an example.... My friend LOVES the movie Magnolia.... and tells me that its one of the best movies ever.... I do not agree with him because the movie makes no sence to me (nor to anyone else i ever talked to about it).... He told me that the writer of the movie refuses to say what the meaning of the movie is untill he dies.... SO my friend dosent even know what its about... but it is "atristic" and "original" so he thinks its amazing.... This friend went to film school, and now produces movies.... am i missing something here then?

 



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akuma587 on 11 March 2009
antfromtashkent said:

 

i agree, but i feel like a lot of people feel like if they are watching obscure movies they feel like they know a lot more about movies than you do... i have been watching a lot of obscure movies lately and its just not the same as watching a hollywood blockbuster... My dvd collection is now 489 strong and most of them are hollywood hits, not to say that all hollywood movies are good.... not even remotely close....

i love movies but do i have to like obscure/low budget movies as well to be a true movie lover?

To be a true movie lover, yes, you would have to love all kinds of movies.  I mean that doesn't require you to like movies that are bad obviously, but a predisposition towards Hollywood movies shows that you like a particular kind of film rather than film itself.  Hollywood has a lot of diversity in it, but unfortunately it does have a stifling influence on the creativity of many a film.

You are more than entitled to think that Hollywood movies are better than non-Hollywood movies, but I don't think that entitles you to claim that other people like those more obscure movies simply because they want to brag about it. 

There is nothing wrong with liking just Hollywood films.  That is what the majority of Americans do.  But a "true movie lover" (whatever that means) would not have an overly strong loyalty to anyone one bastion of cinema.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 11 March 2009
antfromtashkent said:

I will give you an example.... My friend LOVES the movie Magnolia.... and tells me that its one of the best movies ever.... I do not agree with him because the movie makes no sence to me (nor to anyone else i ever talked to about it).... He told me that the writer of the movie refuses to say what the meaning of the movie is untill he dies.... SO my friend dosent even know what its about... but it is "atristic" and "original" so he thinks its amazing.... This friend went to film school, and now produces movies.... am i missing something here then?

 

If you think Magnolia is an obscure movie, then you REALLY need to reevaluate what you consider is obscure.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=magnolia.htm

Domestic Total Gross: $22,455,976

Any movie that makes over $10 million at the box office (in the U.S. alone) I would not at all consider an obscure movie.

Not to mention that movie IS a Hollywood movie.  It was made by New Line Cinema which is owned by Warner Bros.  Warner Bros. is one of the Big 6 Hollywood movie studios.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

SciFiBoy on 11 March 2009

Movies & TV: i mainly watch and prefer newer (post 1985) tv shows and films, with a few exceptions (sci-fi allways, Star Trek, Star Wars, Blade Runner, etc)
Music: i dont like indie, rap, rnb or hip hop at all, i like the greats (Stones, Beatles, Queen, Who, Oasis) barely ever anything else.
Video Games: i play all genre's but mainly big budget high profile games, other than a few golden older console games, arcade games i find mainly dull and repetetive, i like my games to be fun every time i play them if possible



antfromtashkent on 11 March 2009
akuma587 said:
antfromtashkent said:
 

I will give you an example.... My friend LOVES the movie Magnolia.... and tells me that its one of the best movies ever.... I do not agree with him because the movie makes no sence to me (nor to anyone else i ever talked to about it).... He told me that the writer of the movie refuses to say what the meaning of the movie is untill he dies.... SO my friend dosent even know what its about... but it is "atristic" and "original" so he thinks its amazing.... This friend went to film school, and now produces movies.... am i missing something here then?

 

If you think Magnolia is an obscure movie, then you REALLY need to reevaluate what you consider is obscure.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=magnolia.htm

Domestic Total Gross: $22,455,976

Any movie that makes over $10 million at the box office (in the U.S. alone) I would not at all consider an obscure movie.

Not to mention that movie IS a Hollywood movie.  It was made by New Line Cinema which is owned by Warner Bros.  Warner Bros. is one of the Big 6 Hollywood movie studios.

 

I was talking about as an example lol, i dint say it was obsure :P

As far as liking all movies... yes i do... and i do think that there are a lot of obsure movies that are really very good as a matter o fact i think that the only good horror movies left now a days are independent films (eccept for mirrors that was pretty good). there are also a lot of great dramas..

But looking into action movies or comedies... i just cant get into them as much as hollywood ones...

 



Hawkeye on 11 March 2009
antfromtashkent said:

I thought about this when i got into an argument with my friend about rock bands.

I feel that some people use things like: Well i watch low budget movies and movies no one ever heard of and i think that those are some of the best movies ever, and the big "mainstream" movies are just trash because they have big budgets and its not hard to create them.

This goes the same for the people that like obsure bands or rare/different country video games.

I some how always feel like they are saying well im better than you because i am more open minded and you are just a pesant for following the crouds.

Well i dissagree.. I watch A LOT of movies, I listen to A LOT of music, and i play A LOT of video games...i dont like movies w/ small budgets, terrible special effects, a story that makes no sence and bad acting for the sake that the person had an "artistic" vision... i dont like obsure bands with weird music and song lyrics that make no sence. It might make sence in the mind of the "artist", but to pretend that it makes sence to you is just ridiculous...

Is there any one else?

Some people only go for obscure stuff to be different. Its their way of feeling special. Unfortunately, it also isolates them, as they cannot relate experiences if they are the only ones who have experienced something. Also, (almost) every hates snobs.