what the fuck... This is push it to the limit

Tekken is gonna be epic. I hope they don't gimp the ps3 version because they have to shrink it to fit on a dvd. I hope they just gimp the 360 version if they have to and not let both versions be affected.

Tekken 3 and Tekken 5 are both some of the best looking games on their respective consoles.

Or maybe we can reserve adjectives like "sad and pathetic" for more important things in life, and simply compare 1-player game mode with 1-player game mode and 2-player coop mode with 2-player coop mode.

If a game hasn't a coop mode, you are entitled to rant about it. But it's not like the developers of Halo 3 or Gears 2 not developing their engine enough to top KZ2's graphics in single player mode is any way less concrete than KZ2 degrading visually under their level in coop mode, if it had one.

On the contrary I'd say that the first is an objective fact that happened in the real world, whereas the latter is only your speculation taking place, well, somewhere else.

I too look forward to playing Alan Wake and ME2 on my PC, talking of which multiplatform titles like these are probably not the best place to look for real hardware straining efforts.

The arcade version ran on what was basically a ps3.

And the BR version was upgraded to further utilise the SPUs

The FMVs are probably one of the big challenges to fit on the dvd.

My point was games like Halo 3 and Gears 2 look the same in one player as in coop (albeit smaller). The engine was made that way to cope with that. If Killzone 2 for instance was made for coop I dont doubt at all that the engine would have to be greatly trimmed to display the images twice (bearing in mind Killzones framerate drops to 20-25 at times).

I'm merely pointing this out to the fanboyish comments like, 360 cant do GT5 or Killzone 2. It's laughable. People forget what they want to, to make their fanboy dreams come true.

Heres a thought buy both consoles and be happy. I couldnt live without one or the other for me to be a gamer. Now being a fanboy is different alltogether.

The only problems Tekken 6 on the 360 is having is the DVD space to fit all the high quality movies on as it doesn't leave much space for the actual game data, it said this in the article so not sure why everyone is saying the 360 has reached its graphical peak with this game as it isn't about the graphics, it's about the dvd space,

Tekken 6 pushing 360, not a chance lol
There are many many games already out on 360 that look a lot better than Tekken 6.

Since Gears 2 is seems to be the new marketing buzz...the 360 limits.. ahahah..what a joke...

Again, it's those games' developers responisbility if the engine does not scale to offer better visuals in single player than it does in coop. That's a fact.

That Killzone 2 would have done the same if it had coop instead of scaling gracefully? That's your opinion.

And yes, fanboys can be downright annoying. Instead of speculating about possible pixels and hypothetical triangles, I'll just wait for the metaphorical pudding.

Wow,every game seems to be pushing the poor 360 to its limits,I bet DOOM would...

People saying that 360 cant do games like KZ2 and GT5P,look at KZ2 it only looks 10% than Gears of War with twice as long dev date,and Gears  can do SPLIT SCREEN,So Gears graphics arnt maxed out yet.

@Garnett
I admire the fact that your technical and artistic sensitivity is so advanced that you can say that a game looks exactly 10% better than another. They should probably hire you for development in QA, so that they can stop pumping time and money in development when they, say, have a product that looks 17% better than the direct competition...

Alas, your talent is not as good when it comes to development times, because you seem to have forgotten that Epic has spent uncounted man-years developing the engine Gears is based on.

PS: I wonder - if we call fanboys those fanatical lovers of a single platform, of whom we pity the misidirected dedication, should we find a term to define somebody whose signature is only focused on bashing and loathing a game they can simply choose to not play?
Should we stage an intervention, as a community, find a sponsor and help them out of their tunnel of irrational hatred? These people are clearly in distress, and they are out there.