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The South leads the way to fiscal insolvency!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/02/record.prison.population/index.html

(CNN) -- A record number of Americans served time in corrections systems across the country in 2007, according to a report released Monday by the Pew Center on the States.

The U.S. correctional population -- those in jail, prison, on probation or on parole -- totaled 7.3 million, or 1 in every 31 adults.

The Pew Center on the States compiled the information from Justice Department and Census Bureau statistics.

America's prison population has skyrocketed over the past quarter century. In 1982, 1 in 77 adults were in the correctional system in one form or another, totaling 2.2 million people.

The United States has 5 percent of the world's population, but 25 percent of the world's prison inmates, the center said.

The numbers vary widely by race and gender.

"Black adults are four times as likely as whites and nearly 2.5 times as likely as Hispanics to be under correctional control. One in 11 black adults -- 9.2 percent -- was under correctional supervision at year-end 2007," the report said. "And although the number of female offenders continues to grow, men of all races are under correctional control at a rate five times that of women."

There are also wide differences depending on the state. Georgia tops the nation, with 1 in 13 adults in the state's corrections system, while in New Hampshire the figure is 1 in 88. Southern states tended to have higher rates, with Plains and rural Northeastern states coming in lower.

"State policy choices are responsible for creating this mess and state policy choices can get us out," said Adam Gelb, director of the Public Safety Performance Project for the Pew Center on the States. "There are two things, and two things only that determine the size and cost of the prison system."

Dealing out longer sentences and putting more people behind bars have been the hallmarks of Southern states, he said.

America's record prison population has had a huge budgetary effect, according to the report, with increased corrections spending outstripping everything at the state level except for Medicaid.

Gelb said prison costs 22 times more than community-based corrections.

"If you talk to judges and prosecutors practically anywhere in this country, they will tell you if they had stronger community corrections, they wouldn't have to send so many people [to prison] for so many low-level offenses," he said.

For California, it has meant overcrowded prisons. In February, federal judges tentatively ruled that California must reduce the number of inmates in its prison system by up to 40 percent to stop a constitutional violation of prisoners' rights.

Implementing the court's ruling would result in up to 58,000 prisoners being released, said Matthew Cate, California's corrections and rehabilitation secretary, describing it as a threat to public safety.

The Pew Center on the States, through its Public Safety Performance Project, says it promotes "fiscally sound, data-driven policies and practices in sentencing and corrections that protect public safety, hold offenders accountable, and control corrections costs."



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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akuma587 said:

The South leads the way to fiscal insolvency!

 

Republican's and Democrats piss money away like it's going out of style (this is more a Republican issue then a south issue).

The only saving grace for Republican spending, is generally there policies that cause spending can easily be stopped. Spending so much money on a war that your going to become insolvent? Stop the war. Spending to much money on Prisons? Release people.

The Democrats leads us to insolvency though social programs. Those you can't stop. It will be interesting to see how they handle the #1 issue leading us to insolvency. Far worse then all the wars we have fought put together. Social Security.



What's stop us from reforming those social programs? Obama has said that he is willing to comprehensively go through and revamp those programs alongside Republicans. His Health and Human Service Cabinet nominee worked as one of the head people in Medicare/Medicaid recently and knows those organizations inside and out.

You are deluding yourself if you think we can just turn the "war faucet" on and off and spending will stop. Guess how much we have spent on military spending and homeland security since 2002? $5 Trillion! That faucet isn't just leaking, the spigot completely broke off.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/

But an examination of numerous government reports over the past few years shows the administration has had difficulties in stewarding the taxpayer money spent on the mission — a total of more than $5 trillion on wars abroad and anti-terrorism efforts at home since 2002.

Its the same thing with arresting people. Politicians in the south want to look "tough on crime" so they keep making laws stricter and putting more people in prison.




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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Just kill everyone that has 80 years-life in prison.




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akuma587 said:

What's stop us from reforming those social programs? Obama has said that he is willing to comprehensively go through and revamp those programs alongside Republicans. His Health and Human Service Cabinet nominee worked as one of the head people in Medicare/Medicaid recently and knows those organizations inside and out.

You are deluding yourself if you think we can just turn the "war faucet" on and off and spending will stop. Guess how much we have spent on military spending and homeland security since 2002? $5 Trillion! That faucet isn't just leaking, the spigot completely broke off.

 

I am not saying anyone in Government is competent enough to stop spending money, I am saying if they did, the effects would be less. Aside from what it does to our foreign policy, spending less on the military has little negative impact. When you have a social program like Medicare, you have created a society dependent of government. Cutting those funds has a far more dire effect.



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I'm all for reevaluating our entitlement spending. You don't have to convince me. I don't think we should get rid of these programs, but its just being realistic to say that we have to do something to make those programs financially solvent.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Welcome to... 1990? I mean this has been a huge problem... for as long as i can remember.



Anybody relying on OBAMA to get us out of this financial mess is a fool. Obama never ran a hot dog stand let alone a corporation or a personal business. He has no sense how the working works and he is hiring tax cheats and lobbyists to fill his cabinet positions. Bye bye America



Decisions made for purely political reasons at the state and federal levels of government by both political parties directly or indirectly have an impact on crime rates; and many states are left with the choice between being over-run with crime or having an overcrowded penal system.



Social Security - I got an idea. Raise the amount of income that can be taxed on social security. BOOM funding issue gone. If not - totally eliminate it and see how people react. Either way I don't see an issue with social security. It's not part of discretionary spending, it has it's own account.