The government already gets a ton of money from drugs. Any money drug dealers get they take. Without the drug dealers the government would fall apart. seriously.
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| The Ghost of RubangB said: Oh, and before everybody jumps on my ass as usual, these drugs should all be illegal for minors, heavily taxed and regulated, the same way we treat alcohol, tobacco, and driving. Nowhere in my post did I say "legalize drugs for kids." In fact, with the TONS of money the government would make taxing these drugs, and the TONS of money the government would save by letting all the nonviolent drug users out of jail, we could lower taxes AND pay for more drug education and rehab clinics. And drug growers and rehab clinics would also mean more jobs. It's win-win-win-win-win. |
While I agree with you in principle, I believe the line has to be drawn at the massively addictive drugs like crack or heroin simply for the sake of society at large.
Then again, make cocaine legal and crack almost becomes legal by default. It's a slippery slope.
At the very least, weed/hash should be legal even though I can't stand the stuff.
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bardicverse said:
The issue here is that besides weed, drugs can make people do things to other people. Ive known people assaulted and forcibly injected by heroin addicts, had a student who was mugged by a coke addict for money. The harder stuff should be kept away. Weed only destroys the individual if they let it, but things like coke and heroin destroy socities. |
And some people can't handle driving cars without running over kids and old ladies. Do we make driving illegal for everybody because some people can't handle it? Or do we put an age limit on it, restrictions about driving sober, and make registration/insurance/gas really expensive and tax the hell out of all of it?
You're more likely to be killed by a psycho with a car than a psycho with a drug problem. But I think both should be legal, regulated, and taxed.
IF our laws are just about safety and not about freedom, then we need to get rid of cars, alcohol, tobacco, and fast food immediately.
rocketpig said:
While I agree with you in principle, I believe the line has to be drawn at the massively addictive drugs like crack or heroin OR NICOTINE OR CAFFEINE. Then again, make cocaine legal and crack almost becomes legal by default. It's a slippery slope. At the very least, weed/hash should be legal even though I can't stand the stuff. |
Fixed. If it's about addiction.
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Fixed. If it's about addiction. |
Again, I agree with you on principle but nicotine and caffeine don't destroy your life through their addictions (well, nicotine can, but it will take years and years).
Stories about cigarette smokers stealing, selling everything, or even killing another person to feed their smoking habits are also pretty rare.
As a Libertarian, I believe almost anything that doesn't cause another person harm should be legal but there comes a point where you have to recognize the negative societal impact vs. the personal freedom granted. Very little that's good would come from legalizing heroin while the negatives could be immense.
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| The Ghost of RubangB said: And some people can't handle driving cars without running over kids and old ladies. Do we make driving illegal for everybody because some people can't handle it? Or do we put an age limit on it, restrictions about driving sober, and make registration/insurance/gas really expensive and tax the hell out of all of it? You're more likely to be killed by a psycho with a car than a psycho with a drug problem. But I think both should be legal, regulated, and taxed. IF our laws are just about safety and not about freedom, then we need to get rid of cars, alcohol, tobacco, and fast food immediately. |
Well if you want to get all extremist, consider the fact that many rapes occur in situations where people are high, especially as cocaine is a prime aphrodesiac. So then they should also let NAMBLA go out and have full right to have their way with kids, allow rapists to go off and have their way with whoever they want, and maybe go on and let people run rampant with guns and kill whoever they want without any legal action taken against them or trying to stop them.
IF our laws are just about freedom and not safety, then we need to let everyone do what they want, whenever they want to.
See what I did there? Keep it believable.
Rubang handles this discussions very well, I don't have much to add. I live in a country that has a greater drug problem than the US will ever have, and I'm all for legalization. People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it's not hurting anyone else.
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bardicverse said:
Well if you want to get all extremist, consider the fact that many rapes occur in situations where people are high, especially as cocaine is a prime aphrodesiac. So then they should also let NAMBLA go out and have full right to have their way with kids, allow rapists to go off and have their way with whoever they want, and maybe go on and let people run rampant with guns and kill whoever they want without any legal action taken against them or trying to stop them. IF our laws are just about freedom and not safety, then we need to let everyone do what they want, whenever they want to. See what I did there? Keep it believable. |
Of course, the opposition immediately pulls the "but teh children!!1!" card. Rubang already mentioned that none of this applies to minors so your NAMBLA comment is pointless and borderline derailment.
As for rape statistics, I would just love to see the number of rapes annually where alcohol played a major part in the crime versus every other illegal drug available to man.
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I'm pretty much with rocketpig. There are plenty of drugs that are currently illegal that should be legalized. But we should legalize them based on facts and social consequences (the real ones, not all the boogeyman arguments people like to throw around). Heroin and cocaine really aren't going to benefit anyone if they are legalized.
Marijuana and certain hallucinogens really aren't going to cause much more harm than alcohol on the other hand.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| rocketpig said: Of course, the opposition immediately pulls the "but teh children!!1!" card. Rubang already mentioned that none of this applies to minors so your NAMBLA comment is pointless and borderline derailment. As for rape statistics, I would just love to see the number of rapes annually where alcohol played a major part in the crime versus every other illegal drug available to man. |
Definitely. Alcohol causes an insane amount of anti-social behavior. We just kind of look the other way and blame it all on the "real drugs."
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
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