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akuma587 on 27 February 2009
Cheebee said:
What about coffee? I bet that's harmful. America should ban coffee! And while they're at it, ban the crap food as well, fastfood should be illegal there, it's killing more people than drugs I bet.

I'm actually for outlawing fast food.  That shit is destroying our health as a nation and is costing our healthcare system billions of dollars.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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rocketpig on 27 February 2009
halogamer1989 said:
bouzane said:
@halogamer1989

"Figures you're Canadian"

Figures, another ignorant comment. FYI, I'm a Newfoundlander that sympathises with the local separatist movement.

"I am not whining"

Lie

"I can guarantee you that I would best you"

From the statements I've seen you make tonight I doubt it. Saying things like it could be argued that marijuana is harder than alcohol would have most educated people laughing at you. Once I put up the facts that bury this lie you'd shoot back with nothing unless it was another lie. I really would love to see you in an open-forum debate where we could "gang up on you".

vgcpolitics.freeforums.org  Join and we can discuss.  Oh wait... I'm the admin of this VGC sister site so I would permaban you before you even post.

 




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akuma587 on 27 February 2009
HappySqurriel said:
akuma587 said:

For the record, here is a pretty good list of the most dangerous drugs around. The list does not include methamphetamines because meth is still a relatively recent phenomenon and was not as big of a deal when the study was done. Some drugs are subcategorized under these broader categories:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/

Research recently published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

 

While I don't want to disagree with the study published in the medical journal I think that the only reason Alcohol and Tobacco are rated so highly is because of how widespread the use of these drugs are ... While the statistic "Tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses" may be true, if as many people huffed solvents as smoked Tobacco I'm sure the damage form solvents would be far (FAR) higher than the damage we see from Tobacco.

 

You're absolutely right, but there is no motivation for most people to huff solvents (many of which are legal).  The study is a holistic one that looks at everything surrounding the drug, not just the drug itself.  Obviously that includes how much "desire" there is for the drug which is often an extension of how addictive it is.  I don't really know much about solvents, but there isn't much demand for them.  The less of a drug that is out there the less of a danger it is going to be physically and socially.

Its the same thing with drugs like LSD.  You just don't see a lot of demand for the drug.  It doesn't get you "high" and isn't addictive, so few people even try it.  There just isn't a very big drug culture surrounding it.  Things like heroin, cocaine, and meth are on the other extreme.  They are highly addictive and change people's lives.

So that scale isn't a "toxicity" scale or something.  Read the article and you will understand the list better.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

bouzane on 27 February 2009

@halogamer1989

Permaban me before I post. You wish you do that in real life I bet HAHAHAHA.

If you're such a great debater (lie) than debate the valid points I made earlier. BTW, statistical information and sourced facts help instead of making groundless claims like being able to say that marijuana is harder than alcohol. Sure you can say that but I will simply expose it as a lie when I back up my statements with facts. Try me oh great debater, this time provide reliable sources for your arguments.



halogamer1989 on 27 February 2009
bouzane said:
@halogamer1989

Permaban me before I post. You wish you do that in real life I bet HAHAHAHA.

If you're such a great debater (lie) than debate the valid points I made earlier. BTW, statistical information and sourced facts help instead of making groundless claims like being able to say that marijuana is harder than alcohol. Sure you can say that but I will simply expose it as a lie when I back up my statements with facts. Try me oh great debater, this time provide reliable sources for your arguments.

OK.  Fact 1: You used one of the most liberal news corp souces (MSNBC) for evidence on this matter.  I would use a different source that is less biased.  Second, I am not trying to say that all drug users are just drop outs and ppl with no life (most aren't but a majority end up in some sort of trouble later on down the road) but to prove that legalization leads to a dramatic degredation in a moral fabric that the US was built on.  People will want to legalize all drugs and it will have a domino effect the likes of which we have not seen since the Vietnam era 10 fold.  I would not want to live in that kind of a world where freedom to do what every the heck you want gives way to a massive, chaotic triumph of social degredation.

 



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bouzane on 27 February 2009

@halogamer1989

Let's start the debate right here, right now. My first point is that alcohol is a far worse drug than marijuana in terms of addictive qualities, physical & psychological harm and the risk of over dose. Start now by proving this one statement to be incorrect. Remember to source your argument.



akuma587 on 27 February 2009

American citizens are killed too because of the drug war.  Its ludicrous.  There is absolutely no need for things like this to happen. This just happened today:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/27/juarez.mexico.violence/index.html

U.S. families feel sting of Mexico's drug violence

Marisella Molinar was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Her passenger, Jesus Huerta Yedra, was a target of the cartels that day. As Molinar's car was about a mile away from the border crossing back to the United States, gunmen walked up to her car and fired 85 rounds from an AK-47 into their intended target. One shot hit Marisella Molinar, a mother of two and proud grandmother, in the chest, killing her instantly.

The violence generated by the war of the drug cartels for control of drug routes translated last year into some 6,000 killings. More than 1,600 of them occurred in Juarez, three times more than the most murderous city in the United States. This year, in two months, the body count in Juarez is 400.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

bouzane on 27 February 2009

@halogamer1989

Fact 1 is wrong, I was not the one to source MSNBC. Where's your source for your belief that legalizing marijuana leads to the legalization of hard drugs in a domino and then a societal collapse. Source it please, or better yet, take on my previous point.



bouzane on 27 February 2009

@halogamer1989

Marijuana is a soft drug and alcohol is not. Your statement implying the contrary is incorrect. Prove me wrong and start debating.



halogamer1989 on 27 February 2009
bouzane said:
@halogamer1989

Fact 1 is wrong, I was not the one to source MSNBC. Where's your source for your belief that legalizing marijuana leads to the legalization of hard drugs in a domino and then a societal collapse. Source it please, or better yet, take on my previous point.

It is my opinion which cannot be sourced.  I am sure their are others out there who agree with me.  Values are stronger than facts.  Netherlands (Amsterdam esp), Switzerland perhaps.