@ HappySqurriel
I already shared one source earlier in this thread.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4646.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/19/nielsen-wii-audience-is-youngest-ps3-audience-is-oldest/
@ HappySqurriel
May be David Jaffe should grow a pair and just answer the questions (or just don't) instead of whine and cry about it on the internet ?
And is that "wait for XX games " excuse that he is using for the 2nd coming of PS3? 2009 Year of the PS3 confirm by Mr. Jaffe himself.
Jaffe sounds like a broken ps3 fanboy record..
"Jounalists only focus on the negative, and not what will happen IN THE FUTURE." Let me just ask, has that worked out well the past 3 years?
And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.
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| Strategyking92 said: Let me just ask, has that worked out well the past 3 years? |
Well he still has a job so...
| Non Sequor said: PS3 fans, please try to appreciate my honesty. I am not trying to anger you. I am trying to tell you that some of the things people are saying that you believe are biased against the PS3 are based on sound concerns. |
When you take no account for the price of the consoles or the time it takes to develop quality games or the time it takes to get a grip on designing quality games.....Yes it is biased and no those aren't sound concerns.
The fact that the PS3 is out performing what the 360 sold one year ago (At a higher price) IS a valid metric of success. It proves that people are willing to shell out 'more' money for a system that is no better than the 360 (According to some).
You're looking at this on a very short-sighted level. Businesses don't make an investment on a console like this for the short term. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo. None of them are in this game for the short term. All the years of R&D and money spent acquiring, implementing technology. Isn't for the short term pay-off. As long as the price is competitive and the games keep on coming a console will be competitive.
Sony has shown that there certainly is a market for their console. (Even with a ridiculously high price tag). By selling every bit as well as Microsoft has in similar time spans (All with a higher price of admission). The PS3 has shown itself to be a viable competitor with the Xbox 360.
Since the systems (360/PS3) are so comparable, it comes down to overall price (Which the PS3 has the most room of the three companies to lower their price) and what has the best exclusive games (Which most objective observers would easily give the PS3 the nod for 09' thus far over MS.) The future IS bright for the PS3. Saying otherwise is a complete fallacy. Sony still has two of it's largest titles yet to be released and people act like it's crazy talk for people to say that they have an amazing lineup coming up.
Assuming GT5 is released in 09' (Which it probably won't be ready).
Gran Turismo 5
God of War III
Uncharted 2
Is the equivalent of the Xbox releasing Halo 3, Gears of War, Fable II in one year. The PS3 still has quite a bit of 'gas' in it's tank left. Which is why all this talk of it's demise and it being an utter failure is ridiculous and extremely one-sided and biased.
And you are correct in the fact that games/programs in general are always bottlenecked by the slowest components of the system. (Generally I/O, Disk Access, GPU for games). What you aren't factoring in is that this 'overengineered' processor can take on the task of aiding the GPU (Reducing the bottleneck). Ofcourse there is a limit and the system still has other bottlenecks. The PS3 isn't going to suddenly transform it's graphics. The PS3 has serious RAM restrictions and like all systems it has limits.
However, games that are designed properly and take full use of the Cell and allow it to aid the GPU have had wonderful results. Further optimization of code/ work load on the Cell will only improve as time goes on.
| MikeB said: @ HappySqurriel MikeB, unless you have statistical information about the demographics of the platforms I think you shouldn't make claims about them. I already shared one source earlier in this thread. http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4646.html http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/19/nielsen-wii-audience-is-youngest-ps3-audience-is-oldest/ |
Wow, those are pretty awful statistics to use to support your argument ...
Play time with a console doesn't work well as a representation of who owns a console or who is looking to play games on a console as much as it represents the game library that is currently available. Do you think the fact that third party publishers have yet to produce decent sports titles (Hockey, Baseball, and Basketball in particular), racing games, and Shooter games for the Wii might have an impact on the ammount of time people who are obsessed with sports games, racing games or shooter games might spend playing their Wii?
Either you and your sources lack common sense or you're trying to mislead people.
Rpruett said:
When you take no account for the price of the consoles or the time it takes to develop quality games or the time it takes to get a grip on designing quality games.....Yes it is biased and no those aren't sound concerns. The fact that the PS3 is out performing what the 360 sold one year ago (At a higher price) IS a valid metric of success. It proves that people are willing to shell out 'more' money for a system that is no better than the 360 (According to some).
You're looking at this on a very short-sighted level. Businesses don't make an investment on a console like this for the short term. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo. None of them are in this game for the short term. All the years of R&D and money spent acquiring, implementing technology. Isn't for the short term pay-off. As long as the price is competitive and the games keep on coming a console will be competitive.
Sony has shown that there certainly is a market for their console. (Even with a ridiculously high price tag). By selling every bit as well as Microsoft has in similar time spans (All with a higher price of admission). The PS3 has shown itself to be a viable competitor with the Xbox 360.
Since the systems (360/PS3) are so comparable, it comes down to overall price (Which the PS3 has the most room of the three companies to lower their price) and what has the best exclusive games (Which most objective observers would easily give the PS3 the nod for 09' thus far over MS.) The future IS bright for the PS3. Saying otherwise is a complete fallacy. Sony still has two of it's largest titles yet to be released and people act like it's crazy talk for people to say that they have an amazing lineup coming up. Assuming GT5 is released in 09' (Which it probably won't be ready).
Gran Turismo 5 God of War III Uncharted 2
Is the equivalent of the Xbox releasing Halo 3, Gears of War, Fable II in one year. The PS3 still has quite a bit of 'gas' in it's tank left. Which is why all this talk of it's demise and it being an utter failure is ridiculous and extremely one-sided and biased.
And you are correct in the fact that games/programs in general are always bottlenecked by the slowest components of the system. (Generally I/O, Disk Access, GPU for games). What you aren't factoring in is that this 'overengineered' processor can take on the task of aiding the GPU (Reducing the bottleneck). Ofcourse there is a limit and the system still has other bottlenecks. The PS3 isn't going to suddenly transform it's graphics. The PS3 has serious RAM restrictions and like all systems it has limits. However, games that are designed properly and take full use of the Cell and allow it to aid the GPU have had wonderful results. Further optimization of code/ work load on the Cell will only improve as time goes on.
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Wow...every fanboy(read conjecture) argument wrapped up in one post. Like I said, maybe these questions asked to Jaffe should be answered. Then we can stop hearing the lol pricepoints, lol price drops, lol upcoming games, lol cell arguments over and over and over and over and...
No matter how it is said: whether it is vitriolic rehetoric by some of the more venomnous posters, or if it is a little more elegantly written like the above, it is all in the same pile. These arguments have had enough time and many opportunities to proven true, yet have still failed to do so at every juncture.
It is time for MS and Sony to take accountability for their missteps.
"Man is born free but is everywhere in chains" - Rousseau
Was the PS3 a failure 8 months ago when it consistently outsold the X360 in Europe and Japan and thus overall. Nope, it was on track, slow but steady.
Microsoft made a good move and then the economic thing came and bum, the ps3 slowed down and now it is a failure.
I wander how much side money did M$ pay the US government to create this crisis?

@ HappySqurriel
Obviously usage is more relevant than actual ownership or purchase (to game designers, retailers, advertisers, etc), of course a 5 year old often isn't really owing or purshasing a gaming console at all. That would most likely be the parents.
IMO you are making a big deal out of this for nothing.
@ ithis