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In school we were fully educated about our options in regards to safe sex in primary school and again in high school. Of course we were also taught that abstinence is the only way to be completely sure you don't have a child but it definitely wasn't the cornerstone of our sex education.



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Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
We're not saying the practice of abstinence is stupid or impossible. But abstinence-only education doesn't get anybody else to abstain. The number of people who have sex before marriage does not decrease when they are taught about abstinence.

The problem is the idea that kids should ONLY be taught about abstinence, and NOT about condoms, because that knowledge will somehow hurt them or confuse them or turn them into sex maniacs. That idea doesn't help anybody, but wastes tons of money every year.

The only reason the argument is still around is because one side studies the facts and says "this education does not work" and the other side says "oh yeah but condoms are gay!"

What is "Teaching abstinance" anyway.

We never really had that... I mean... we had sex education at like... 5th-6th grade... what with the condoms and such.

I mean... is it just people saying "You can not do this".

Cause I'd think that would be self apparent.

Is "Teaching abstinance" really just "teaching all the bad stuff about sex"?

 

 

Basically if the school district teaches Abstinence only sex ed. They don't talk about male/female condoms except (important) to mention their failure rates. They don't go into how to use a condom - where to purchase - benefits of using condoms, spermicides (i.e. pregnancy inhibitor but not STDS) etc. They will continually reiterate that the only way to be sure is abstinence (quite obvious-didn't know it needed teaching).

To answer your question yes- without discussing viable options outside of abstinence as I mentioned above. - The whole thing begs the question that if sex ed is being taught then why teach only a small portion of it (I.E. not having sex). Seems to become an anatomy and physiology class more than a sex education class.

 

 



My school was not allowed to talk with us about using condoms or any other kind of protection. We were blessed with an abstinence only education.

Not surprisingly, my hometown ranks in the top 5 cities in the nation for STD rates among youths! Thanks abstinence only education!



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Onyxmeth said:
alekth said:
Tripp especially sounds more fitting for a dog.

Levi, I think, is a pretty normal Jewish name, Kal-El just sounds oriental, but they tend to sound weird when coupled with a Western name.

I didn't know that about Levi. I see Levi, I think denim jeans.

Kal-El isn't oriental. It's Superman's name back on his home planet of Krypton. Weird enough now?

 

 

I'm just going to go ahead and name my own kid Kararot. You know, its Goku's name back on his home planet of Vegeta.



Kakarot's too harsh of a name, and can't be shortened well. Kal-El rolls off the tongue smoothly, and you can be called Kal for short.

But I'd seriously like to name my kid Logan 5.



@Kasz, as others have mentioned, in abstinence-only education programs, they can't mention any form of safe sex (or masturbation) or birth control, because they think that would encourage sex (or masturbation). They only talk about STDs and try to scare you away from sex, and teach you the only way to be safe is abstinence. It has the same effect as making your kids watch Reefer Madness to learn about drugs.



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its already awkward enough for elementary school teachers to teach kids about what goes where. I think teaching kids about how it all functions and the risks is good enough. I don't think teachers should be expected to teach their students about the Donkey Punch or whatever.

The MORALITY of it all shouldn't be the burden of the state; it is and has always been the responsibility of the parents.

You should be able to teach your kid, Kal-El, whatever you want about the morality of sex "and stuff", and I could teach my Kid, Kakarot, whatever I deem appropriate.



If my last name was Wang. I'd name my kid, Richard Wang.
He'd have 3 dicks.



That Guy said:
its already awkward enough for elementary school teachers to teach kids about what goes where. I think teaching kids about how it all functions and the risks is good enough. I don't think teachers should be expected to teach their students about the Donkey Punch or whatever.

The MORALITY of it all shouldn't be the burden of the state; it is and has always been the responsibility of the parents.

You should be able to teach your kid, Kal-El, whatever you want about the morality of sex "and stuff", and I could teach my Kid, Kakarot, whatever I deem appropriate.

First of all, I don't even like Superman.  In fact, I hate him.  I'd never name my kid Kal-El.  And if I met some kids named Kal-El and Kakarot, I would assume Kakarot had the cooler parents.

I went to a Catholic school, so when they taught us about sex, they definitely taught us all about morality.  They actually taught us two methods: abstinence until marriage, and then after marriage, "the rhythm method."  It was hilarious.  It assumes that all females have the same 28-day perfect menstrual cycle, even though those things are as unique as fingerprints.

The idea that an unmarried man can live his whole life without ejaculating is quite possibly the lulziest concept ever, and I'd like to see a movie or read a comic book about it.  We were also taught that if a man had sex with his already-pregnant wife, with the full knowledge that he could not get her pregnant if she was already pregnant, and would thus be having sex for pleasure (huuuuge sin), it wouldn't count as a sin, because it would be practice until she was ready to conceive again.



If sex isn't a sin. Porn wouldn't be as popular.



What do you call people who support abstinence only education?
Grandparents!



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