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Bush the W. at 36 of 42, Reagan at 10 of 42, Lincoln at 1 of 42, George Washington at 2 of 42, Clinton at 15 of 42, Bush the H. at 18 of 42.

Lincoln wins: Honest Abe tops new presidential survey

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/16/historians-give-bush-bad-early-verdict/#more-40184

(CNN) – It's been 145 years since he appeared on a ballot, but America's admiration for the man who saved the union and sparked the end of slavery is stronger than ever, according to a new presidential survey.

Abraham Lincoln finished first in a ranking by historians of the 42 former White House occupants released over Presidents Day weekend.

The news wasn't quite as good for the latest addition to the nation's most exclusive fraternity; George W. Bush finished 36th in the survey, narrowly edging out the likes of historical also-rans Millard Fillmore, Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce.

James Buchanan — the man who watched helplessly as the nation lurched toward civil war in the 1850s — finished last.

"As much as is possible, we created a poll that was non-partisan, judicious and fair minded," said Rice University professor Douglas Brinkley, who helped organize the survey of 65 historians for cable television network C-SPAN.

The survey — which asked participants to rank each president on 10 qualities of leadership ranging from public persuasion and economic management to international relations and moral authority — was the network's second since 2000.

The hero of Springfield, Illinois, finished first nine years ago as well.

"It's fitting that for the 200th birthday of Abraham Lincoln that he remains at the top of these presidential rankings," Brinkley said.

"Lincoln continues to rank at the top in all categories because he is perceived to embody the nation's avowed core values: integrity, moderation, persistence in the pursuit of honorable goals, respect for human rights, compassion," Howard University's Edna Medford added.

Founding father George Washington finished second in the new survey, followed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry Truman, in that order.

Bill Clinton registered the greatest gain among recent presidents, jumping from 21st to 15th in the survey. Ronald Reagan edged forward from 11th to 10th overall, while George H.W. Bush moved up from 20th to 18th.

The prize for the greatest jump in approval from historians over the last nine years, however, went to a president who has often sat near the bottom of such rankings: Ulysses S. Grant. The Civil War general jumped 10 notches, from 33rd to 23rd.

"Bill Clinton and Ulysses S. Grant aren't often mentioned in the same sentence — until now," historian Richard Norton Smith said. "Participants in the latest (survey) have boosted each man significantly higher than in the original survey conducted in 2000. All of which goes to show two things: the fluidity with which presidential reputations are judged, and the difficulty of assessing any president who has only just recently left office."



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So far about how i predicted it would play out.

Teddy Roosevelt is still underrated.

Though to be fair I think people like Lincoln and FDR should lose a lot of points for all the immoral deeds they pulled in Office.

Throwing people in jail just because they disagree with you is pretty unamerican... a lot of the stuff they did was even worse then the stuff Bush pulled in office.



I wonder how far from 36th W. can get the next time they do this, and if it will improve or do even worse, after we meditate on him for a few more years.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
I wonder how far from 36th W. can get the next time they do this, and if it will improve or do even worse, after we meditate on him for a few more years.

It pretty much always improves.

George Bush Senior once was as low as 31.


Reagan at 10 I also disagree with by the way.

Lincoln, Reagan, FDR i'd all knock down a few pegs.  Sure they got us through tough times... but they did it by compromising the nations ideals and beliefs.



Clinton should be much higher. Like 40/42.




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Anyone who doesn't approve of good ol Abe is politically dead right?



I'm a huge history buff, but my classes have knocked a few things out of my brain. What did Lincoln do exactly that was so amazing? He did some pretty historic things, sure, but anyone could have done what he did. The Civil War was pretty much impossible to lose for the north, and as for banning slavery, it likely had a lot more to do with economics and a lot less to do with morals than most people seem to think. I hoped that historians would have put a bit more thought into their lists but now I'm disappointed yet again.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
I'm a huge history buff, but my classes have knocked a few things out of my brain. What did Lincoln do exactly that was so amazing? He did some pretty historic things, sure, but anyone could have done what he did. The Civil War was pretty much impossible to lose for the north, and as for banning slavery, it likely had a lot more to do with economics and a lot less to do with morals than most people seem to think. I hoped that historians would have put a bit more thought into their lists but now I'm disappointed yet again.

No you've got it about right.

Banning slavery was really just a political move intended to start slave riots and help the war effort.

Lincoln was actually a bit of a jerk... what suspending the Bill of Rights and all.

 

 



Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
I'm a huge history buff, but my classes have knocked a few things out of my brain. What did Lincoln do exactly that was so amazing? He did some pretty historic things, sure, but anyone could have done what he did. The Civil War was pretty much impossible to lose for the north, and as for banning slavery, it likely had a lot more to do with economics and a lot less to do with morals than most people seem to think. I hoped that historians would have put a bit more thought into their lists but now I'm disappointed yet again.

No you've got it about right.

Banning slavery was really just a political move intended to start slave riots and help the war effort.

Lincoln was actually a bit of a jerk... what suspending the Bill of Rights and all.

 

 

Not only that, but he actually made some pretty terrible decisions during the Civil War. For example, sending Grant to the western theater where the north was already doing successfully instead of say, the eastern theater where Davis had appointed his best commander. He cost thousands of lives by picking such terrible generals. But I'm just ranting.

 



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
I'm a huge history buff, but my classes have knocked a few things out of my brain. What did Lincoln do exactly that was so amazing? He did some pretty historic things, sure, but anyone could have done what he did. The Civil War was pretty much impossible to lose for the north, and as for banning slavery, it likely had a lot more to do with economics and a lot less to do with morals than most people seem to think. I hoped that historians would have put a bit more thought into their lists but now I'm disappointed yet again.

No you've got it about right.

Banning slavery was really just a political move intended to start slave riots and help the war effort.

Lincoln was actually a bit of a jerk... what suspending the Bill of Rights and all.

 

 

Not only that, but he actually made some pretty terrible decisions during the Civil War. For example, sending Grant to the western theater where the north was already doing successfully instead of say, the eastern theater where Davis had appointed his best commander. He cost thousands of lives by picking such terrible generals. But I'm just ranting.

 

Hey, he still made better decisions then the guys before him.

Presidents who get us through hard times will always be overrated though.

Look at FDR.  A lot of people even credit him for getting us out of the great depression despite unemployment being at like 20%+ during his entire reign because he didn't do anything to help private companies... and infact restricted their abilities to produce stuff actually stopping industries growth.

That's why I think Teddy Roosevelt is the best president of all time though.

He was the only one ranked in the top 5 or 10 or so who didn't have some great crisis to get us through.

He got there soley based on legislative descisions and by being foward on the issues of civil rights.