| JaggedSac said: There are many possible whos. Creatures that came before us, not originating from this planer, being the main one. Could you provide some concrete details on the things you say Expelled did? Stein was not really for or against either side, so why would they provide a biased view? He was just saying that people who have valid scientific ideals about ID should not be shunned, mocked, and reprimanded by the scientific community. Until the day that someone comes out with a valid and provable scientific explanation on how life originated on our planet, ID should be given due process. I am in no way a believer in god, but that in no way means I do not have ideas on how Intelligent Design can be valid. And yes, even if there were aliens that created us, they would have to have started somewhere. But, if you concede that point, it makes the research of Intelligent Design valid. Because knowing that information would be jsut as big, if not bigger than the idea that WE started from nothing.
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An example of Expelled's problems is the Charles Darwin quotation. Stein was showing that Darwin believed in Eugenics by giving this quote;
"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."
The real untrimmed quote is;
"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil."
Its entirely ridiculous how Stein spinned it.















= 10,000 years old "cave" drawings.