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kabhold on 11 February 2009
mrstickball said:
kabhold said:

@ Mr. Stickball.

I love Ron Paul. Alot. But this...

Ironically, Ron Paul (a doctor) has the best solution: Allow RNs a greater degree of freedom in medicine. If they were allowed to diagnose and perscribe routine medicines for patients, you'd free up many, MANY doctors for doing what they were designed to: fix the major problems in surgeries, and as specialists.

Make no sense. I love the Idea. But as a future Rn. Dumb. Thats why we have nurse practitioners. You shouldn't be on the same level as a doctor without a masters degree.

OFF TOPIC: MD's  are 50% assholes or 50% nicest people on earth. SURGEONS: All of them will tell you they are gods. There is one at a hospital that won't prescribe analgesics for a vag hyst because he feels that they don't need it. Disgusting.

Edit-  also surgeons aren't even usually employed by hospitals, except for the ER.  They rent out the OR's.

Yet so many nurses can do basic functions that NPs and doctors are forced to do. The issue still remains that the credentialing of NPs and Doctors are so insanely high that there aren't enough of them to go around. Yet a good RN can do the same basic things that an NP can. And that's what Ron was/is arguing: RN's know basic skills of an NP, so why not allow them to do it?

 

WARNING:  RN STUDENT! I have worked as a CRNA, but my experience in hospitals is as a student.

In order.

1.  Never seen that personally.  Theres a big pecking order in hospitals.  Ask an RN to help you with a body bath.  Good luck.  Ask a doctor to help with IV's, drug admin, or a NG tube.  Not happening.  Theres a clear well defined job description that's never crossed.

2.  The human body is fucking complex.  In my A&P book, do you know how many times i see a "?".  As in we don't know.  Alot.   Nurses have a general background in A&P, and a general background in diseases, and alot in teaching.  Our jobs mainly consist of giving drugs and teaching the client, and what to monitor.  Doctors go through a much diiferent learning experience.  THEY learn to diagnose.  THEY learn to start from the easiest, least expensive problem and move up (which is why you hear so many people complain...well if he would've done this test we would've known right away).  We don't learn these tools.  We don't know these tools.  After years of experience maybe we catch on.

3.  Test them.  I've heard nurses say that acetomenphin has anti-inflammatory effects.  Wrong. That's RN q1 BASIC knowledge.

Sorry, Doctors can be assholes.  But at least they've earned it.  I'd  trust a Doc over an RN any day.  I have a friend thats a pharmacist.  Trust him over a RN as well.  I think you're putting to much stock into nursing.

 

EDIT- acetomenphin=tylenol