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ssj12 on 05 February 2009
Final-Fan said:
OK, on the whole console generation war thing that ssj12 has going:

The NES came out in the US in 1985. (1983 J; 1986 E)
The Genesis came out in the US in 1989. (1988 J; 1990 E)
The SNES came out in the US in 1991. (1990 J; 1992 E)
The Saturn came out in the US in 1995. (1994 J; 1995 E)
The PS1 came out in the US in 1995. (1994 J; 1995 E)
The N64 came out in the US in 1996. (1996 J; 1997 E)

You can see that the Genesis is partway between the NES and SNES; four years after the NES but two years before the SNES -- this is a significant time delay, but it's much closer to the SNES than the NES. The Saturn, on the other hand, is CLEARLY in direct competition to the PS1.

The N64 came later, so I could understand if you were to say that the Saturn and PS1 were both partway between the SNES and N64 -- four years after the SNES, but two years before the N64 (except in the US), just like the Genesis was to the NES and SNES. But this makes little sense, because it was the PS1 that defined the generation more than the N64.

In any case, to say that the PS1 was in the same gen as the SNES is madness, and that's the exact same argument as the one you're making. You might as well say that the Dreamcast was in the same gen as the PS1 instead of the PS2. Or maybe the DC and the N64 have their own generation in between SNES/Saturn/PS1 and PS2/GC/Xbox according to you?

Most people break them gens as

Gen 4: NES;Gen;ATA

Gen 5: SNES;PS1;Sat

Gen 6: PS2;DC;GC;XB

 



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Squilliam on 05 February 2009

@Final: No problem sir!



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2009
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
OK, on the whole console generation war thing that ssj12 has going:

The NES came out in the US in 1985. (1983 J; 1986 E)
The Genesis came out in the US in 1989. (1988 J; 1990 E)
The SNES came out in the US in 1991. (1990 J; 1992 E)
The Saturn came out in the US in 1995. (1994 J; 1995 E)
The PS1 came out in the US in 1995. (1994 J; 1995 E)
The N64 came out in the US in 1996. (1996 J; 1997 E)

You can see that the Genesis is partway between the NES and SNES; four years after the NES but two years before the SNES -- this is a significant time delay, but it's much closer to the SNES than the NES. The Saturn, on the other hand, is CLEARLY in direct competition to the PS1.

The N64 came later, so I could understand if you were to say that the Saturn and PS1 were both partway between the SNES and N64 -- four years after the SNES, but two years before the N64 (except in the US), just like the Genesis was to the NES and SNES. But this makes little sense, because it was the PS1 that defined the generation more than the N64.

In any case, to say that the PS1 was in the same gen as the SNES is madness, and that's the exact same argument as the one you're making. You might as well say that the Dreamcast was in the same gen as the PS1 instead of the PS2. Or maybe the DC and the N64 have their own generation in between SNES/Saturn/PS1 and PS2/GC/Xbox according to you?
Most people break them gens as
Gen 4: NES;Gen;ATA
Gen 5: SNES;PS1;Sat
Gen 6: PS2;DC;GC;XB

1.  No, I can't recall a single person before now whom I've seen put the SNES and PS1 in the same gen.  Maybe I've seen it and just forgot, but even in that case that tells you how rare it is. 

2.  And the N64 doesn't exist now?  What do you have against Nintendo??

P.S.  Wikipedia sees things my way. 

P.P.S.  What the heck is "ATA"?  Surely you don't mean the Atari 2600!  One of the later, lesser Atari systems perhaps? 



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ssj12 on 05 February 2009
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
OK, on the whole console generation war thing that ssj12 has going:

The NES came out in the US in 1985. (1983 J; 1986 E)
The Genesis came out in the US in 1989. (1988 J; 1990 E)
The SNES came out in the US in 1991. (1990 J; 1992 E)
The Saturn came out in the US in 1995. (1994 J; 1995 E)
The PS1 came out in the US in 1995. (1994 J; 1995 E)
The N64 came out in the US in 1996. (1996 J; 1997 E)

You can see that the Genesis is partway between the NES and SNES; four years after the NES but two years before the SNES -- this is a significant time delay, but it's much closer to the SNES than the NES. The Saturn, on the other hand, is CLEARLY in direct competition to the PS1.

The N64 came later, so I could understand if you were to say that the Saturn and PS1 were both partway between the SNES and N64 -- four years after the SNES, but two years before the N64 (except in the US), just like the Genesis was to the NES and SNES. But this makes little sense, because it was the PS1 that defined the generation more than the N64.

In any case, to say that the PS1 was in the same gen as the SNES is madness, and that's the exact same argument as the one you're making. You might as well say that the Dreamcast was in the same gen as the PS1 instead of the PS2. Or maybe the DC and the N64 have their own generation in between SNES/Saturn/PS1 and PS2/GC/Xbox according to you?
Most people break them gens as
Gen 4: NES;Gen;ATA
Gen 5: SNES;PS1;Sat
Gen 6: PS2;DC;GC;XB

1.  No, I can't recall a single person before now whom I've seen put the SNES and PS1 in the same gen.  Maybe I've seen it and just forgot, but even in that case that tells you how rare it is. 

2.  And the N64 doesn't exist now?  What do you have against Nintendo??

P.S.  Wikipedia sees things my way. 

 

No, that I completely forgot to type.

Still that generation list is so incomplete its unblievable. Its completely forgetting all Atari consoles, 3DO, and many many more.



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2009

Click on the link for each generation, it has more.



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2009

So which generation do you put the N64 in? The "5th", with the SNES, or the "6th", with the Gamecube? Or do you have your own super-special N64 generation in between?



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ssj12 on 05 February 2009
Final-Fan said:
So which generation do you put the N64 in? The "5th", with the SNES, or the "6th", with the Gamecube? Or do you have your own super-special N64 generation in between?

 

I honestly have no idea... Nintendo's console releases suck to put their consoles into generations..

 



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jetrii on 05 February 2009

4th Gen: TurboGrafx-16, NeoGeo, Genesis, SNES
5th gen: Jaguar, Amiga CD, 3DO, Saturn, PS1, N64
6th gen: Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, GC

This is how the industry sees the console generations. Frankly, I agree with it. Only console I didn't own were the 3Do, Jaguar, and Amiga CD.

EDIT: Oops, forgot the virtual boy and Apple pippin in the 5th generation! Just added them for laughs.



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2009
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
So which generation do you put the N64 in? The "5th", with the SNES, or the "6th", with the Gamecube? Or do you have your own super-special N64 generation in between?
I honestly have no idea... Nintendo's console releases suck to put their consoles into generations..

That's a crazy excuse. I'm only highlighting the fact that your console gen definitions make a hell of a lot less sense than everyone else's.

[edit: It's quite simple IMO. The SNES and the N64 were both 2 years late in their gen. Problem solved. Why does this not make sense to you?] 



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Gnizmo on 05 February 2009
ssj12 said:

Most people break them gens as

Gen 4: NES;Gen;ATA

Gen 5: SNES;PS1;Sat

Gen 6: PS2;DC;GC;XB

 

 No, not at all. Most people put all the 8-bit consoles together in one generation, all the 16-bit consoles in another, and then start breaking it down by release dates as it got very neat. You are the onlyone to put a 16-bit console into the 8-bit era and the only one to put a 16 bit console into PS1 era.



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