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markers said:
BrainBoxLtd said:
markers said:
link to the thread?

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=2643&page=1

 

would of been better if it was posted before the consoles released and not months years after.

 

Why are we revisiting 2006? (2005?)



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Galaki said:
markers said:
BrainBoxLtd said:
markers said:
link to the thread?

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=2643&page=1

 

would of been better if it was posted before the consoles released and not months after.

 

Why are we revisiting 2006? (2005?)

his original post was from 2007, months after all the consoles were officially out.

 



Ssj12: Where did you get the ridiculous idea that the cheapest console always wins? The Gamecube would refute you if it weren't in the hospital, sir.



The problem debating these is that none of these are too controversial of statements.



deff dont agree...... this thread is not right.



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freedquaker said:

 

This was a thread created 2 years ago, and Let's see how well my statements fare today. Ok, The title should be changed to "Unbiased Facts About the Current Consoles Revisited" now maybe but I just wanted to be consistent with the title.

People were throwing a lot of crap at me then  but look how things turned out.  The causes could be controversial at times but the results are clear. People try to "create sense based on a limited and often flawed information". There are many other variables which our "way of thinking" might forget/fail to include, either because there are just too many of them, or just people can't or don't want to see them.

Here are the facts that I had predicted and let's see how they turned out to be.

Fact 1 :  High Price Consoles never win!

Well, PS3 is not winning and 360 and Wii are selling more, right? Check!

Fact 2 : Sony's Technical Specs are always vastly exaggerated and Claims Never Come True!

Well, it was the case with PS1 and PS2, and PS3 can barely compete with 360, and only several first party games can surpass the 360 after loooooooong periods of development. Check!

Fact 3 : Always the Weakest Console wins!

This is not a reasoning, this is just a twist of fate, it happens to be so. And guess what? Wii is the weakest console and it is winning, by and large! Check!

Fact 4 : Sony is Notorious for the LENGHTY LOADING TIMES.

Unfortunately so.  And now what happens? They put "mandatory installation" to match the loading times of 360 or wii. The additional hard drive does not make it better than other machines. NXE on the other hand shortens the loading times of 360 considerably, making it faster than ps3 on equal terms. Check!

Fact 5 : PS3 has a greater speed as potential.

This potential is shown occasionally with games like Killzone, but not too often or drastic though (which is why it's "potential"). I'm still firm in my opinion that Xbox's superiority over ps2 was much greater than ps3 over 360. Check!

Fact 6 : Xbox360 has More Memory and a Better Memory Structure.

No question about. Despite improvements on the ps3 side, this is still the case, will remain so. 360 simply has more memory and better memory architecture as admitted by many firms. Check!

Fact 7 : You cant win globally if you fail in either of those two markets, Japan and America.

This is why 360 is not winning (and can't possibly win) this generation. Check!

Fact 8 : Wii is picking up and gonna take the lead soon.

That is what exactly happened! Check!

Fact 9 :  PS3 sales are far from building a momentum.

Yes, there is some sort of increase in sales but a momentum needs more than this. PS3 was surpassed by both other consoles in all 3 years now, so we can't talk much about momentum! Check!

 

Ok I admit that was impressive I wonder if the weakest console wins every generation because its the cheapest?



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Garnett said:
ssj12 said:
freedquaker said:

 

This was a thread created 2 years ago, and Let's see how well my statements fare today. Ok, The title should be changed to "Unbiased Facts About the Current Consoles Revisited" now maybe but I just wanted to be consistent with the title.

People were throwing a lot of crap at me then but look how things turned out. The causes could be controversial at times but the results are clear. People try to "create sense based on a limited and often flawed information". There are many other variables which our "way of thinking" might forget/fail to include, either because there are just too many of them, or just people can't or don't want to see them.

Here are the facts that I had predicted and let's see how they turned out to be.

Fact 1 : High Price Consoles never win!

Well, PS3 is not winning and 360 and Wii are selling more, right? Check!

True-ish

Fact 2 : Sony's Technical Specs are always vastly exaggerated and Claims Never Come True!

Well, it was the case with PS1 and PS2, and PS3 can barely compete with 360, and only several first party games can surpass the 360 after loooooooong periods of development. Check!

Not true. UT3 on the PS3 looks better than Gears 1 and UT3 on the 360. Gears 2 had extra engine upgrade time but doesnt have that much of an improvement. There are also a ton of other games that are technically better than theirm 360 counterpart. Say DMC, Burnout Paradise, Call of Duty 4, and a few others.

You say UT3 looks better on PS3 than Gears 1 looks on 360,Maybe,But then you say Gears 2 had a engine upgrade so i dosent count?????? LOL?

Fact 3 : Always the Weakest Console wins!

This is not a reasoning, this is just a twist of fate, it happens to be so. And guess what? Wii is the weakest console and it is winning, by and large! Check!

Cheapest always wins. Wii started cheapest.

Fact 4 : Sony is Notorious for the LENGHTY LOADING TIMES.

Unfortunately so. And now what happens? They put "mandatory installation" to match the loading times of 360 or wii. The additional hard drive does not make it better than other machines. NXE on the other hand shortens the loading times of 360 considerably, making it faster than ps3 on equal terms. Check!

False. It has been proven in many games that laod times are even without install and with install loadtimes are significantly better. All NXE does is make the games install content which is exactly what the PS3 games do. This argument is bunk.

Wrong,PS3 had to install games to there HDD because the slow BR drive,and if they do install games,games still load faster on 360 without INSTALLS.

Fact 5 : PS3 has a greater speed as potential.

This potential is shown occasionally with games like Killzone, but not too often or drastic though (which is why it's "potential"). I'm still firm in my opinion that Xbox's superiority over ps2 was much greater than ps3 over 360. Check!

For this being called "unbiased" your seriously being a troll in some of these. See Fact 2.

Fact 6 : Xbox360 has More Memory and a Better Memory Structure.

No question about. Despite improvements on the ps3 side, this is still the case, will remain so. 360 simply has more memory and better memory architecture as admitted by many firms. Check!

Mixed. The PS3 has faster RAM. The 360 has a few MBs more. 

360 can unevenly divide its RAM,Say 150mbs Gprhcs and the rest CPU.

Fact 7 : You cant win globally if you fail in either of those two markets, Japan and America.

This is why 360 is not winning (and can't possibly win) this generation. Check!

True, it is also why it will be in 3rd at the end of this gen.

2020 the year of the PS3 lmao.

Fact 8 : Wii is picking up and gonna take the lead soon.

That is what exactly happened! Check!

Not a shock...

Fact 9 : PS3 sales are far from building a momentum.

Yes, there is some sort of increase in sales but a momentum needs more than this. PS3 was surpassed by both other consoles in all 3 years now, so we can't talk much about momentum! Check!

Yes, so outselling the 360 for more than 3/4s of last year wasnt momentum? Also the PS3 hasnt been out for 3 years. Neither has the Wii. Learn to check your facts.

Did you forget 360 was out selling PS3,untill MGS4 came out,then the 360 Pricecut turned that back around.

 

 

 

 

Where did you get that one from?

 



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xman said: 

Ok I admit that was impressive I wonder if the weakest console wins every generation because its the cheapest?

 Weakest console doesn't always win. The Genesis and Dreamcast were both the weakest, and we know how Sega's story ended in the hardware department.



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