For foreigners as me it is kind of funny to read all those discussions if Obama is born in USA or not. So what?
And what is bad about closing -' Shut down Guantanamo Bay'
@Tyrannical: I'm sorry, I understand (but do not agree with) the requests for the "long form" birth certificate but the college records? But really, let's not start that argument again. This thread is about the current President (who was confirmed by the Congress, and sworn in twice by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court) and his actions to open up government to the citizens.
You do realize there are grade requirements and behavior standards to get on to a law school's Law Review, right? Additionally, there are no Educational Requirements to be or act as president of the United States.
On topic:
ssj12:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/proclamations/
I do not agree with his haste to close Guantanamo, the place isn't the problem it's what goes on there. Closing it is political; however, he's trying to restore dignity to all people being held by the United States, by only holding those who have enough evidence to be held until trial or pose a danger to the United States (nothing that wouldn't be done to a dangerous American in a criminal court) and treating people who have not been proven guilty of crimes as innocent under the previous conditions.
His first executive order is actually bigger, further limiting lobbyist of the executive branch during his administration. This is fantastic for two reasons. First, it sets an example and expectations for legislative and state lobbyist codes and rules. Second, it supports the idea that lobbyist should be limited to the validity of their arguments; limiting the impact of wealthier lobbies without eliminating the wealth factor completely (the money can be used to hire better lobbyists, to do better research, and for presenting and promoting their desires... not for buying support).
Call me a hippie if you will, but I like the idea of influence in the hands of the people with a fair but capitalist component. I also like to think that the US should promote human rights by setting an example before trying to influence other nations.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
oh crap... How long are people going to keep up with that birth thing?
Anyways, his first two declarations are good, but mostly symbolic. Now when he closes Guantanamo... That's when he starts proving himself as a President. (I hope he does that damn soon)
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Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!
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| That Guy said: I believe his campaign DID release his birth certificate. What is the deal with his college records? I'm sure he would produce it upon request. But why would you prove with his transcript? anyways, here's the dirt on his certificate. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp |
The various lawsuits were for Obama's long form birth certificate that is signed by the delivering doctor at the hospitol. That's what he has refused to release. According to rumor, his mother registered his birth as "at home" a few days after he was born when she arrived back to Hawaii from Kenya. The rumor also claims local Hospitols have no record of his birth, and that his mother never lived at the address provided on the birth certificate. Of course we'll never know as he refuses to release them.
His college records were being seeked because some crazy rumor claimed he had listed his citizenship as Indonesian or place of birth as Kenya on one of his admissions forms, I think for Occidental College. Of course we won't know because he won't release them.
<i>For foreigners as me it is kind of funny to read all those discussions if Obama is born in USA or not. So what? </i>
I'll translate it into Japanese.
<i>Until the birth of Prince Hisahito, son of Prince Akishino, on September 6, 2006, there was a potential succession problem, since Prince Akishino was the only male child to be born into the imperial family since 1965. Following the birth of Princess Aiko, there was some public debate about amending the current Imperial Household Law to allow women to succeed to the throne</i>
Imagine if Prince Hisahito's real father turned out to be the mailman.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
Tyrannical said:
For foreigners as me it is kind of funny to read all those discussions if Obama is born in USA or not. So what? I'll translate it into Japanese. Until the birth of Prince Hisahito, son of Prince Akishino, on September 6, 2006, there was a potential succession problem, since Prince Akishino was the only male child to be born into the imperial family since 1965. Following the birth of Princess Aiko, there was some public debate about amending the current Imperial Household Law to allow women to succeed to the throne Imagine if Prince Hisahito's real father turned out to be the mailman. |
^^' I am not Japanese if that is what you are thinking. Anyway but that is Japan; It is a way to messed up country where the people are way to proud on their nationality. So proud that they prefer to destroy their own economics and to suffer as hell.
| stof said: Anyways, his first two declarations are good, but mostly symbolic. Now when he closes Guantanamo... That's when he starts proving himself as a President. (I hope he does that damn soon) |
He needs to decide what he is going to do with the prisoners in Guantanamo first. That is the real hard Presedential decision. Maybe open up Camp Palin in Alaska?
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
The next question is if he has said " The United States will not use torture from now on" then he is also implicating the Bush administration in the decision to have allowed it over the last few years.
Will they now consider respecting international humanitarian rules too, such as Geneva, and prosecute the people who approved these techniques?
From my point of view, my gov. just approved pay hikes for their staff, they don't even mention mining and energy lobbyists influencing policy but atleast we have withdrawn all combat troops from iraq. Kevin Rudd made it clear in parliament, the war was based on bullshit, so we did something right.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
Tyrannical said:
The various lawsuits were for Obama's long form birth certificate that is signed by the delivering doctor at the hospitol. That's what he has refused to release. According to rumor, his mother registered his birth as "at home" a few days after he was born when she arrived back to Hawaii from Kenya. The rumor also claims local Hospitols have no record of his birth, and that his mother never lived at the address provided on the birth certificate. Of course we'll never know as he refuses to release them. His college records were being seeked because some crazy rumor claimed he had listed his citizenship as Indonesian or place of birth as Kenya on one of his admissions forms, I think for Occidental College. Of course we won't know because he won't release them.
For foreigners as me it is kind of funny to read all those discussions if Obama is born in USA or not. So what? I'll translate it into Japanese. Until the birth of Prince Hisahito, son of Prince Akishino, on September 6, 2006, there was a potential succession problem, since Prince Akishino was the only male child to be born into the imperial family since 1965. Following the birth of Princess Aiko, there was some public debate about amending the current Imperial Household Law to allow women to succeed to the throne Imagine if Prince Hisahito's real father turned out to be the mailman. |
Last time I checked, it doesn't say in the Constitution that someone has to satisfy every conspiracy theory nutjob out there to be President.
On topic:
The executive order about changing lobbying policies is GREAT and says a lot about Obama's intentions to give lobbyists the stiff arm. There are way too many overly powerful lobbies on Capitol Hill, like the NRA and even the AARP. Not to mention all the private sector lobbies out there.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| megaman79 said: The next question is if he has said " The United States will not use torture from now on" then he is also implicating the Bush administration in the decision to have allowed it over the last few years. Will they now consider respecting international humanitarian rules too, such as Geneva, and prosecute the people who approved these techniques? From my point of view, my gov. just approved pay hikes for their staff, they don't even mention mining and energy lobbyists influencing policy but atleast we have withdrawn all combat troops from iraq. Kevin Rudd made it clear in parliament, the war was based on bullshit, so we did something right. |
Thta would be a great way to cause a firestorm. Obama would embroil himself in a losing battle if he tried to do that. He is better off just leaving the whole thing alone. He could cripple his entire presidency and essentially hand power back to Republicans. I would be way more upset if he tried to do that than failed to prosecute these people.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
akuma587 said:
Thta would be a great way to cause a firestorm. Obama would embroil himself in a losing battle if he tried to do that. He is better off just leaving the whole thing alone. He could cripple his entire presidency and essentially hand power back to Republicans. I would be way more upset if he tried to do that than failed to prosecute these people.
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I dont believe that for a second akuma. Its an excuse to get away with the crimes they have committed over 8 yrs. He's already proved he's got a backbone, i want to see him make a commitment to REALLY restoring the integrity of the gov.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
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