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halogamer1989 on 20 January 2009

Bush- No Child Left Behind, democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan, relations w/ N. Korea, Chinese expansion, DHS, no attacks on US soil since 9/11, called the housing crisis in 2003, etc. Not bad to me. A lot of stuff is not credited to him b/c of the pansy liberal media and kids who want it now and cry when they can't afford an extra 50c for gas. Ever heard of the Greatest Generation? People have it so easy now. This current "crisis" is nowhere near the level of the G.D. So Bush may have made some mistakes but history will judge. Everyone else cam just hope for "miraculous" change...



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mrstickball on 20 January 2009

Every president should be viewed under the microscope of what they made and did well after they leave office.

As some have said, Clinton was a pretty crappy caretaker president that really didn't do anything great, or anything far too horrible (although I'd argue he mis-handled his opportunities).

Bush will be viewed 10 years from now based on the messes he created, or fixed. What if Iraq becomes a bastion for Democracy because we stayed the course, and becomes a true archetype for secular Muslim democracies (alongside Turkey)?

Bush has been butchered by the media, not for the fact he was bad, but because they wanted to make him look bad. I believe that, 10-20 years from now, people will look back and realize he did a few bad things, a few OK things, a few good things, and a few great things. His worst act(s) of presidency will be the lack of fiscal control of the government (by breaking his promise to control spending), while his better ones will be his tax cuts, and eventually (I believe) his handling of terrorism in the post 9/11 world.



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akuma587 on 20 January 2009

You have just stumbled into the No Spin Zone folks.  Everything said in this thread is 100% unbiased:



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

stof on 20 January 2009

Wait, wait... You list 18 terrorist attacks that happen in Countries other than the United States... You know that Clinton wasn't the President of Egypt, Argentina, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or any of those other countries, right?



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im_sneaky on 20 January 2009
halogamer1989 said:
Bush- No Child Left Behind, democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan, relations w/ N. Korea, Chinese expansion, DHS, no attacks on US soil since 9/11, called the housing crisis in 2003, etc. Not bad to me. A lot of stuff is not credited to him b/c of the pansy liberal media and kids who want it now and cry when they can't afford an extra 50c for gas. Ever heard of the Greatest Generation? People have it so easy now. This current "crisis" is nowhere near the level of the G.D. So Bush may have made some mistakes but history will judge. Everyone else cam just hope for "miraculous" change...



Just to choose 1 item.. didn't no child left behind fail? I mean American Schools are still far behind...quite a few other countries.



 

 

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halogamer1989 on 20 January 2009
im_sneaky said:
halogamer1989 said:
Bush- No Child Left Behind, democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan, relations w/ N. Korea, Chinese expansion, DHS, no attacks on US soil since 9/11, called the housing crisis in 2003, etc. Not bad to me. A lot of stuff is not credited to him b/c of the pansy liberal media and kids who want it now and cry when they can't afford an extra 50c for gas. Ever heard of the Greatest Generation? People have it so easy now. This current "crisis" is nowhere near the level of the G.D. So Bush may have made some mistakes but history will judge. Everyone else cam just hope for "miraculous" change...

 

 

Just to choose 1 item.. didn't no child left behind fail? I mean American Schools are still far behind...quite a few other countries.

 

Read this site: http://www.ed.gov/nclb/overview/importance/nclbworking.html for a good accountable DOE appraisal.  America still has much to do but it should be the kids who should step up, get their heads out of their asses, and learn.  You can pour trillions into ed. and still not improve anything if initiative is not taken by the ones responsible for thier future.  Personally, I would close the DOE.



akuma587 on 20 January 2009
stof said:
Wait, wait... You list 18 terrorist attacks that happen in Countries other than the United States... You know that Clinton wasn't the President of Egypt, Argentina, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or any of those other countries, right?

This is what you have to do when your claim is full of crap:

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

megaman79 on 20 January 2009

Bush is gone forever

No one will buy his book

No one will pay to hear him make a speech

He had to bribe contributors to his Bush library

He will, probably tonight, sign preemptive pardons for every Bush administration person who played a part in torture, Iraq war manufactured evidence, Supreme Court appointees and the Justice dept.

If they all get away with their crimes the constitution will be irreparably broken and Obama will be seen to be as useless as Bush ever was.



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Tyrannical on 20 January 2009

Wasn't Bill Clinton offered Osama Bin Laden's head by the Saudi government, but refused?



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Lanceuppercut on 20 January 2009

I'm no Clinton fan, but I'm going to have to point you in the direction of JFK. Twice as corrupt and his actions were less hilarious and more "oh crap, we might die".

1. Kennedy helped stage a coup against the Iraqi government. Saddam Hussein took part in this coup, and Kennedy played a major part in the rise of the New Baath Party. This eventually led to Saddam coming into power.

2. Kennedy sent less than 2,000 guerilla troops to topple the Cuban government, let them all be slaughtered, and offered them no air or sea support.

3. Kennedy expanded many money-leaking government programs.

4. Kennedy nearly killed us all in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And Bush hasn't been a good president, either.

I prefer Coolidge, Cleveland, Reagan, and Jefferson.



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