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largedarryl said:
Ps3 said:
largedarryl said:
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MrBubbles said:
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BringBackChrono said:
@Ps3
Your logic is so twisted, You can casually say that cows and chicken are different and a freaking Seal's life is more important. Think about it when you drink some milk, or eat eggs. Seals, relatively, are of no use whatsoever if alive(except for in aquatic zoos).

 

How don't seals have purpose? They keep the fish and squid population down.

 

and humans help control the seal population.

WRONG - Polar Bears, Sharks and Walrus's do.

These animals are only feeding on seals in certain locations, and it is naive to not think humans have to fit into the ecosystem as a predator.

Referring to the seal populations in the St. Lawrence and Gulf of the St. Lawrence there are no natural predators in that particular ecosystem.   I cannot say the same thing about the regulated seal hunts that occur in the other countries.

 

We are predators, but we can eat things we need and not random things we don't.

So are you aware of the environmental effects that banning the seal hunt would cause?  If refer to some of my earlier posts, a straight up ban on the seal hunt would more than likely have a very serious effect on the Atlantic fisheries department.

 

Put more of those animals predators in the wild over there then. We cannot smack seals with bats.

 

We can and do, but I think you meant to say we shouldn't.

 

Put more predators in the wild over there, may I refer you to the problems present in Australia and New Zealand for reference on that.  Also Polar bears and Sharks cannot live there, to warm for polar bears and not enough salt in the water for the predatory sharks you are referring too.

 

You have a point.. But I still don't think the seals should be punished.

 



 

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I would like to point out that EXACTLY 50 posts in this thread are from Ps3. If nothing else, the man hates seal abuse!!

 

You are right I hate seal abuse. I'm vented my mind on this inhumane matter.



 

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Ps3 said:
mesoteto said:
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but we eat seals and use them as well

like i said before its what being top of the food chain means---killing and eating

you would do well to remember we are all only a few days without food away from eating each other

But still, eating a seal would be like eating a cat or a dog. I think its sick.

 

 

only b/c you have never had to worry about getting food

 

 

sure mr wiskers is cute and all but he wouldnt thnk twice about eating you if he was hungry and was able

 

keep that in mind

 

 

and vice versa your trapped on a boat in teh middle of teh ocean with plenty of water but one a few kittens ----you have not eaten in days ...... mmmm kitten burgers would sound pretty tempting then

You don't know me, so don't tell me. Even though I've never worried about food, but it still doesn't give people the right to smack things with baseball bats. And there is no way these people are THAT hungry they need to chase seals with bats. I mean like don't have have lives? It's not needed, if they are that hungry they can go cook some french fries or catch a fish..

 

Well we have high intelligence, they are only seals. That's expected. Us as humans should know better.

 

I wouldn't eat them.

 

yes you would its science and nature

 

when you get hungry enough you will eat them and savor every bite

 

its teh same thing that happened to teh donnor party

 

the humane will to survive in instances like that can asy top our morals

 



 

mesoteto said:
Ps3 said:
mesoteto said:
Ps3 said:
mesoteto said:
but we eat seals and use them as well

like i said before its what being top of the food chain means---killing and eating

you would do well to remember we are all only a few days without food away from eating each other

But still, eating a seal would be like eating a cat or a dog. I think its sick.

 

 

only b/c you have never had to worry about getting food

 

 

sure mr wiskers is cute and all but he wouldnt thnk twice about eating you if he was hungry and was able

 

keep that in mind

 

 

and vice versa your trapped on a boat in teh middle of teh ocean with plenty of water but one a few kittens ----you have not eaten in days ...... mmmm kitten burgers would sound pretty tempting then

You don't know me, so don't tell me. Even though I've never worried about food, but it still doesn't give people the right to smack things with baseball bats. And there is no way these people are THAT hungry they need to chase seals with bats. I mean like don't have have lives? It's not needed, if they are that hungry they can go cook some french fries or catch a fish..

 

Well we have high intelligence, they are only seals. That's expected. Us as humans should know better.

 

I wouldn't eat them.

 

yes you would its science and nature

 

when you get hungry enough you will eat them and savor every bite

 

its teh same thing that happened to teh donnor party

 

the humane will to survive in instances like that can asy top our morals

 

I'd make sure the cats got away before I got hungry.

 

But still, are the seal hunters that hungry they need to kill 300,000 seals a year. I don't think so. I think they are just bored.

 



 

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Removing cats to protect birds backfires on island

By MICHAEL CASEY – Jan 13, 2009

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) — It seemed like a good idea at the time: Remove all the feral cats from a famous Australian island to save the native seabirds.

But the decision to eradicate the felines from Macquarie island allowed the rabbit population to explode and, in turn, destroy much of its fragile vegetation that birds depend on for cover, researchers said Tuesday.

Removing the cats from Macquarie "caused environmental devastation" that will cost authorities 24 million Australian dollars ($16.2 million) to remedy, Dana Bergstrom of the Australian Antarctic Division and her colleagues wrote in the British Ecological Society's Journal of Applied Ecology.

"Our study shows that between 2000 and 2007, there has been widespread ecosystem devastation and decades of conservation effort compromised," Bergstrom said in a statement.

The unintended consequences of the cat-removal project show the dangers of meddling with an ecosystem — even with the best of intentions, the study said.

"The lessons for conservation agencies globally is that interventions should be comprehensive, and include risk assessments to explicitly consider and plan for indirect effects, or face substantial subsequent costs," Bergstrom said.

Located about halfway between Australia and Antarctica, Macquarie was designated a World Heritage site in 1997 as the world's only island composed entirely of oceanic crust. It is known for its wind-swept landscape, and about 3.5 million seabirds and 80,000 elephant seals migrate there each year to breed.

Authorities have struggled for decades to remove the cats, rabbits, rats and mice that are all nonnative species to Macquarie, likely introduced in the past 100 years by passing ships.

The invader predators menaced the native seabirds, some of them threatened species. So in 1995, the Parks and Wildlife Service of Tasmania that manages Macquarie tried to undo the damage by removing most of the cats.

Several conservation groups, including the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Birds Australia, said the eradication effort did not go far enough and that the project should have taken aim at all the invasive mammals on the island at once.

"It would have been ideal if the cats and rabbits were eradicated at the same time, or the rabbits first and the cats subsequently," said University of Auckland Prof. Mick Clout, who also is a member of the Union's invasive species specialist group.

Clout and others said the Macquarie case illustrates the struggle that Australia and New Zealand have had trying to remove invasive species from their islands, mostly in a bid to protect seabird populations. They have targeted dozens of islands over the past few decades with mixed success.

Cats were removed from Little Barrier island off New Zealand, but it took a second campaign against a growing rat population. On the remote Campbell island off New Zealand, authorities successfully removed sheep, cattle, cats and rats in one of the biggest eradication projects to date.

"The whole ecosystem is recovering superbly," Clout said of Campbell island.

Liz Wren, a spokeswoman for the Parks and Wildlife Service of Tasmania, said authorities were aware from the beginning that removing the feral cats would increase the rabbit population. But at the time, researchers argued it was worth the risk considering the damage the cats were doing to the seabird populations.

"The alternative was to accept the known and extensive impacts of cats and not do anything for fear of other unknown impacts," Wren said.

The parks service now has a new plan to use technology and poisons that were not available a decade ago to eradicate rabbits, rats and mice from the island.

The project to be launched in 2010 will use helicopters with global positioning systems to drop poisonous bait that targets all three pests. Later, teams will shoot, fumigate and trap the remaining rabbits, Wren said.

Some of the earlier critics are now behind this latest eradication effort to remove the island's last remaining invasive species.

"Without this action, there will be serious long-term consequences for the majestic seabirds...and for the health of the island ecosystem as a whole," said Dean Ingwersen, Bird Australia's threatened bird network coordinator.



this is what happens when you introduce one species to control another or take one away



 

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Bird's also lay like 5 eggs, a mother seal lays 1 baby a year.. Major difference. That's irrelevant to this situation.



 

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I think a worse punishment would be to allow the population to rise until they deplete their food source, causing a massive population crash through large scale starvation.

I would support the banning of the seal hunt if you were able to come up with a more compelling reason for besides personal preference.



largedarryl said:
I think a worse punishment would be to allow the population to rise until they deplete their food source, causing a massive population crash through large scale starvation.

I would support the banning of the seal hunt if you were able to come up with a more compelling reason for besides personal preference.

 

It's nothing with personal preference. It's because no animal should be beat to death and dragged away and skinned while they are still alive.



 

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Ps3 said:
mesoteto said:
but we eat seals and use them as well

like i said before its what being top of the food chain means---killing and eating

you would do well to remember we are all only a few days without food away from eating each other

But still, eating a seal would be like eating a cat or a dog. I think its sick.

 

 

seals are not domesticated and provide no direct benefit to humans other than as food.  you just think they are cute and have no real basis for youre opinion.



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Ps3 said:
largedarryl said:
I think a worse punishment would be to allow the population to rise until they deplete their food source, causing a massive population crash through large scale starvation.

I would support the banning of the seal hunt if you were able to come up with a more compelling reason for besides personal preference.

 

It's nothing with personal preference. It's because no animal should be beat to death and dragged away and skinned while they are still alive.

 

then why arent you complaining about slaughterhouses?  im sure your peta friends who gave you the seal videos would be more than happy to provide videos of slaughter houses doing that.



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