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@ MikeB

The game may have been hyped beyond belief but as it stands even scientific measurements of the response people have to the game put it in the same league as games like Half-Life, Call of Duty IV and Gears of War. You can measure how "good" a game is by measuring how people respond to it, and by that measure it far exceeds the response people have to lower tier shooters like RFOM 1 (No data on 2, no offense to R2 or insomniac! ). It also stands the one metric which noone can argue against, its still played even today by millions. People may be duped into spending their money unwisely, but its much harder to dupe them to spend their time unwisely.

Who the hell cares if its running at 640P? It simply works as a game. It doesn't try to be innovative, it just delivers an excellent experience. I can't comment personally on the R+C review scores as im personally unsuited to saying more than its an excellent game. So really is your problem with Halo or is your problem with Gamespot and other reviewers? One game was fairly treated, one game was unfairly treated and thats not a negative on Halo its more a negative on Gamespot themselves.



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@ Squilliam

I think Halo 3 was overhyped by the media. It's not the best FPS by far, the story campaign is short and repetivie, so XBox 360 fans better pay for online in addition, but even its online doesn't provide much new, nothing like the fresh air Resistance 2 or Warhawk provided. Technically I thought this game would set a standard for 360 gaming as the platform's most anticipated 1st party exclusive. The game instead underlined the bottlenecks with 640p graphics rendering and no AA at all (which was hyped to be "free" at a time).

IMO this game also underlines why metacritic sadly isn't that useful, there are a lot of biased media out there which affect the score averages. For example Gamespot's main criticism with regard to Ratchet & Clank: Future was that the game is similar to previous popular games in the series (despite the huge upgrade and there are many new gamplay aspects in this game), yet they didn't do this with regard to Halo 3 in comparison to Halo 2 and gave the game an amazing 9.5.

You may not like Halo,Halo may not be anything new,Halo may not have the best graphics(cause the game isnt about graphics),however Halo has the most fun gameplay,the only game to dethrone Halo in my book is L4D.

 



@ MikeB

don't mess up with Squilliam
he is a huge fanboy just like me.

360 rules



@ Garnett

You may not like Halo,Halo may not be anything new,Halo may not have the best graphics(cause the game isnt about graphics),however Halo has the most fun gameplay


It's funny if you type "Halo 3 is" in google, this provides most likely results. Not one being "Halo 3 is fun" or "Halo 3 is amazing". Suggested results include "Halo 3 is overrated", "Halo 3 is boring", "Halo 3 is broken", but by far the most common result is "Halo 3 is short".



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

MikeB said:

@ Garnett

You may not like Halo,Halo may not be anything new,Halo may not have the best graphics(cause the game isnt about graphics),however Halo has the most fun gameplay


It's funny if you type "Halo 3 is" in google, this provides most likely results. Not one being "Halo 3 is fun" or "Halo 3 is amazing". Suggested results include "Halo 3 is overrated", "Halo 3 is boring", "Halo 3 is broken", but by far the most common result is "Halo 3 is short".

Why don't you drop the Halo BS? Seriously you should...

This isn't politics, you can't complain about how other people choose to spend their money because their choices don't concern you.

You are fueling the very thing you were fighting against with this thread.

 



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@ Squilliam

Halo 3 is a well marketed and anticipated game, combined with media hype it sold amazing well.

I am just saying Halo 3 for many (including many of those who bought it) is not the best FPS future games should be measured with.

I was just pointing out media bias.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

MikeB said:
@ Squilliam

Halo 3 is a well marketed and anticipated game, combined with media hype it sold amazing well.

I am just saying Halo 3 for many (including many of those who bought it) is not the best FPS future games should be measured with.

I was just pointing out media bias.

 

Media are biased about halo ?? The third episode has almost reached 9 millions copies and this is the game the most played on the most populated console networking system ?

How can it be based ? It is pure fact.

Let me turn your argument the other way : It is not the media/marketing that make a game a success, it is the fact that the HALO series is a (commercial?) success from the beginning that allow s the editor to have a good ROI on marketing investment.



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

MikeB said:
@ Squilliam

Halo 3 is a well marketed and anticipated game, combined with media hype it sold amazing well.

I am just saying Halo 3 for many (including many of those who bought it) is not the best FPS future games should be measured with.

I was just pointing out media bias.

Whats the point? There are many examples of media hype and bias, there are also many far better examples you can use. I never implied its the best ever game, but by many metrics it lives up to the hype and anticipation so its not really a good example to use.

 



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MikeB said:

@ Squilliam

I think Halo 3 was overhyped by the media. It's not the best FPS by far, the story campaign is short and repetivie, so XBox 360 fans better pay for online in addition, but even its online doesn't provide much new, nothing like the fresh air Resistance 2 or Warhawk provided. Technically I thought this game would set a standard for 360 gaming as the platform's most anticipated 1st party exclusive. The game instead underlined the bottlenecks with 640p graphics rendering and no AA at all (which was hyped to be "free" at a time).

IMO this game also underlines why metacritic sadly isn't that useful, there are a lot of biased media out there which affect the score averages. For example Gamespot's main criticism with regard to Ratchet & Clank: Future was that the game is similar to previous popular games in the series (despite the huge upgrade and there are many new gamplay aspects in this game), yet they didn't do this with regard to Halo 3 in comparison to Halo 2 and gave the game an amazing 9.5.

For a tech-head you've got to be impressed with the HDR lighting and physics they were able to pull off with the game, which many consider the best for a console game thus far.

For many it's a game that offers the best replayability because of it's great online community. It's a game that just ceases to stop being fun, it always makes for a good night playing with friends, which is pretty rare to find with a lot of games. I think it warrants the 'amazing' score it received based upon that fact alone and doesn't reflect biased media - is Ratchet & Clank a game that you play as often as Halo?

EDIT: I think the best measure of a game's success/greatness is by how long and how often it is played for and this game would then deserve an even higher score.

 



@ Fumanchu

For a tech-head you've got to be impressed with the HDR lighting and physics they were able to pull off with the game, which many consider the best for a console game thus far.


The HDR would be impressive to me without the sacrifices and with a solid framerate. Regarding physics I thought Halo 3 was using Havok middleware, I think Motorstorm: Pacific Rift in this case is more impressive.

EDIT: I think the best measure of a game's success/greatness is by how long and how often it is played for and this game would then deserve an even higher score.

Due a to strong brandname and good marketing Pacman sold on par with Halo 3 on the Atari 2600 (actually much better if you're considering penetration) and thus was heavily played. But that doesn't change the fact that the port is considered to be the most miserable version by far out there (for example compared to the less successful but much better c64 version).



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales