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senseinobaka said:
well, this is the culmination of years of bad business on sony's part. Problems like this results from SCE's "gillette business strategy" and sony's constant preception that their consumers are stupid (Rootkit).


I can only assume the've been reading the VGChartz forums. 



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madskillz said:
Spankey said:
madskillz said:
Grampy said:
Spankey said:

"The most important thing is that, to improve organizational strength in the areas of development, purchasing and marketing, it will be necessary to further concentrate power in the hands of [Sir Howard] and unless this is achieved we believe [Sony] will be unable to close the gap with competitors such as Apple and Nintendo."

Strange they mention Apple and Nintendo by name...but not MS?

Apple making a home console confirmed?

Anyway, back on topic, We'll just have to wat till the Sony q3 results and statements on 29 Jan to find out the truth.

Also, for Sony gaming division to pull back from -$1.5 billion to just -$500mil in a mere 2 quarters isn't that bad, is it? still got another 4 months to pull back to the black.

Two possible reasons
1: improved or not, it's still their biggest loser and frankly an embarassment since its a constantreminder of lost position. Being third where you once lead and the publicity about it don't polish the corporate image.

2. investers are demanding MAJOR change. Slaughtering the most sacred cow sends a clear signal that everything is on the table. Everyone thought that the father of the Playstation was untouchable......

 

This. Every PSbot is talking about how the Entertainment, especially the PS3 is safe - and I can't help but ask - have any of you even worked for a bizness? If you don't move products, you don't make money and you have to let workers go. Investors and stockholders call the shots, not the company. They are the ones who have suck money into the company. They are assured of a return of some type - or warned that the profit is not coming right now or soon. When are the investors going to say 'Enough is enough?' How much longer are they going to ride the 'Profit's coming' train? What other products out there - with two generations of success - lands in 3rd place - and almost 3 years later - is still holding down 3rd place? And to think - the investors will keep holding on? Nah ... if giants like AIG, Fannie Mac and other companies can fail for bankruptcy and/or close, what is so precious about the PS brand that Sony investors won't say 'Cut our losses and let's start again?'

Just sayin' ...

 

 

"bizness" lol. Have you ever learned at a "skool"?

Anyway, Sony BMG lost them more than the gaming division did last quarter, and the Gaming division has shown the most growth out of any segment last quarter excpet for Sony Pictures. In fact, those were the only two segments to show any growth at all last quarter.

Just sayin'...

I learned that at my bizness, madskillz.com It was featured in a New York Times article about MP3 repair - and blew my biz up like nitro. So, I do understand a wii bit about business - bidness - bizness and even got props from a guy who worked on 5 tech startups and is currently my biz consultant.

Just sayin'

 

And that, dear children, is what we call pwnage.

 



Way to start a blockbuster thread fishy.

 

So how about that Yen?



Simple way to look at this news.

Dont look it at is from a gamers perspective. Its not writtern for gamers.

Look at it from the investors perspective, which is what its written for.



I TAKE NO SIDES

Demotruk said:
theprof00 said:
goddog said:
theprof00 said:
Saying sony will terminate PS brand is ridiculous.
Reasons:
1)iSupply also expects them to break even on production sometime this year. 2) IPs are the most profitable market for sony atm, which they also said they are going to be focusing on.
3) Gaming is expected to lead the tech sector in 09.

All signs point to Sony pouring more money in game development and axing a bunch of needless, soon to be outdated or unpopular tech:

UMD movies
CD and DVD plants
Ericcson deal
Sony walkman + discman

Note that all of these will be heavily region restrictive and will continue to be manufactured in many areas.

 

I think most in the thread have agreed that SCE wont close or be sold off, however, most do see a retration of studios or a reduction of head count. most have also listed that the divisions you see as going first will. the speculation on SCE mainly rides on how bad things are at sony, if things got bad enough, SCE could be a division sold at a good profit to clear debt, heck the debt might even be packaged into the division.... basicaly SCE can be used to right what ails sony if things get really bad, it will buy sony a decade to rebuild and fix things

In fact, according to traditional japanese business (the way a majority of things are still run) "parent" companies like Sony, will often push their debt onto smaller companies that are oftentimes in the midst of tanking, which will declare bankrupcy and protect the parent company. 

If they do that though, won't potential creditors/investors not trust sony any more, I wouldn't finance a company that handled their debt to me that way.

Research how it works before you post. That reaction seems like the reaction of someone who doesn't like Sony to begin with. 

It would be like if a subordinate cut off their own hand to cure your gangreneous one, because you adopted them from a third world country. People would say "man, that guy sure covers his bases, however, I distrust him"

 



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You are the one who offered the possibility, could you not explain how it is done?

Surely however it is done, when the smaller company declares bankruptcy, people who financed the parent company get bad debts. Do they avoid this somehow? And if not, if people who financed the parent are not paid back, is that not a disincentive to finance a company?



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www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

Demotruk said:
You are the one who offered the possibility, could you not explain how it is done?

Surely however it is done, when the smaller company declares bankruptcy, people who financed the parent company get bad debts. Do they avoid this somehow? And if not, if people who financed the parent are not paid back, is that not a disincentive to finance a company?

But, that is my point. I do not need to explain it, you can either look it up or assume I am right. However, you made up objections that do not exist.

How do the people who financed the parent company get bad debts when a smaller unrelated company goes bankrupt? I'm sorry if I'm offending you but it feels like a stretch.

And what is this about being paid back? Being paid back what? The parent company does not lose anything. It is on the smaller company to provide substance, if they cannot, it is on them.

The real message is "don't finance a child company that can't perform, finance the parent company instead because it will always be a win/break even situation"

 



Well, you could at least give me a description or a phrase that describes the practice you are talking about so that I can research it.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

What you said was that they push their debt onto a smaller company going bust, which means that the smaller company must pay back the creditor, no? And then the smaller company declares bankruptcy, which means it won't be able to pay back the creditor. Is this not correct?

It seems to me that in the end the larger company's creditor ends up with a bad debt.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

i gtg to class right now,
lookup something like traditional japanese business practices, customs or something. I'll try to help you out later.