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numonex on 03 January 2009

PS3 fans will always hold unto their belief that their console will make a miraculous comeback and be another PS2.
MGS 4, GT 5, Kill Zone 2, LBP, (insert any PS3 title) will save PS3 and attract millions of people just like PS2.
Sorry to spoil the party this generation's PS2 is the Wii. The PS3 will not make a huge comeback and will not even sell half the amount of the PS2.

The PS3's 10 year plan is just Sony's marketing spin aka Sony's lie.



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neotea on 03 January 2009

I still cant believe people still believe in this whole 10 year plan nonsense. Lifespan is dictated by marketshare i.e. the consumers. It is not dictated by corporation PR or by the small majority.



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BTFeather55 on 03 January 2009
PS360ForTheWin said:
BTFeather55 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
AaronSOLDIER said:

I finally get it now - the 10 year life of the PS3 is an amazing plan and, keep reading after this - could win them this gen and next gen in one!

Ok so here is (I think) Sonys plan for the PS3 and that 10 year life:

Sony makes the hardware the best out of all next gen consoles (it is the most powerful so dont deny it) and so they are basically ahead of the competition in the hardware department. Ok, so hardware doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win the generation (look at the XBOX, N64 etc.) however, look a little further on in the PS3's life - when MS and Nintendo release their next gen consoles (if they do) - the PS3 may be the weakest in the hardware department, and at that time - will be cheaper also. My estimation - we'll see the next MS console in 2012 at the latest and the PS3 will be roughly $150 - $300 at that time.

Now then, when this happens - the PS3 has basically turned into the PS2, only Sony have been more clever about it this time and have taken a gamble - fact is, the PS3 will be the cheapest 8th gen console and will already have a headstart in the generation (think 360 with its 8 million headstart when PS3 and Wii launched, only by 2012 PS3 will be at what - 40 million or so? keep in mind the fact that PS3 will be getting cheaper and the fact that PS3 will have a strong 2009 for exclusives and probably each year afterwards).

So when the 8th gen starts - Sony will have a strong start and developers will be far more used to that console than the next console from the competitors. So it will be like 360 this gen, but MORE (like how 360 got a lot of support from Capcom) but imagine if the Wii was in the 360's place - PS3 could possibly the Wii of the 8th gen - getting a load of support from 3rd party companies (of course a lot of it will be shovelware, but it was the same with the PS2).

So, really, Sony WILL succeed with very strong sales from this plan however, like I said earlier - this is a huge risk on Sonys part, because it all depends on whether the other two companies decide to release a new console (I think they will, more likely Nintendo) but if they dont this plan could fail, however, it could be a huge success, when the Wii has ended its life and stops selling and PS3 gets go and possibly passes its sales and it could be almost impossible to catch the PS3's sales in the 8th gen, it'll be like trying to take on the PS2 at its 60 million sales.

The fact is, if this succeeds, Sony has made an extremely smart move and will possibly get the best of both worlds, or maybe even three:

Consumers looking for the most powerful console
Consumers looking for a cheap HD format player
Consumers not bothered about power, but plenty of games and a cheap system

What do you guys think? I think if this is the 10 year plan Sony has made - I love it, whether it works or fails, you've got to respect them for risking it and trying a new tactic.

Dream it while you can, maybe someday ill make you understand, while were living the dreams we have as fanboys fade away.....

 

 

      The end of gen prediction numbers in your sig are quite accurate imo (The Wii sales do probably need to be adjusted down by 5 to 20 million though).  Just not for the end of the generation but for what the numbers will be when the 360 is being replaced by the Nextbox.  However, after that point in 2010, the PS3 is going to go on to sell 50 million more consoles.

i think that the PS3 will sell 50m or so lifetime, but i expect the 360 to sell 50m as well and i dont see either selling more than 60m, certianly they wont catch the Wii, also i think 50m is respectable for Sony, it keeps them in the console war with MS as well as selling enough consoles to make a PS4 viable and attract exclusives and multi platform releases, i think the idea that the PS3 will sell 100m or still be selling well in 2017 is nonsense though, its just not realistic. As for the next XBOX, i imagine it will be out in 2011 at the earliest, MS have done much better with the 360 than i thought so i dont see them putting a new one out before 2011, if anything it may be later, like 2012 or 2013.

     Do you think that Epic is going to wait four to five years to release Gears 3 after the first two have sold over 5 million copies?  And without a Bungie made Halo 4 or Gears 3 what other console launch title does Microsoft have that would justify a large number of people purchasing a $400 to $500 console during a holiday launch season?  Most of their other games have only received review scores in the 8 to 9 range and less than 2 million in sales. 

 



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PS360ForTheWin on 03 January 2009
BTFeather55 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
BTFeather55 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
AaronSOLDIER said:

I finally get it now - the 10 year life of the PS3 is an amazing plan and, keep reading after this - could win them this gen and next gen in one!

Ok so here is (I think) Sonys plan for the PS3 and that 10 year life:

Sony makes the hardware the best out of all next gen consoles (it is the most powerful so dont deny it) and so they are basically ahead of the competition in the hardware department. Ok, so hardware doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win the generation (look at the XBOX, N64 etc.) however, look a little further on in the PS3's life - when MS and Nintendo release their next gen consoles (if they do) - the PS3 may be the weakest in the hardware department, and at that time - will be cheaper also. My estimation - we'll see the next MS console in 2012 at the latest and the PS3 will be roughly $150 - $300 at that time.

Now then, when this happens - the PS3 has basically turned into the PS2, only Sony have been more clever about it this time and have taken a gamble - fact is, the PS3 will be the cheapest 8th gen console and will already have a headstart in the generation (think 360 with its 8 million headstart when PS3 and Wii launched, only by 2012 PS3 will be at what - 40 million or so? keep in mind the fact that PS3 will be getting cheaper and the fact that PS3 will have a strong 2009 for exclusives and probably each year afterwards).

So when the 8th gen starts - Sony will have a strong start and developers will be far more used to that console than the next console from the competitors. So it will be like 360 this gen, but MORE (like how 360 got a lot of support from Capcom) but imagine if the Wii was in the 360's place - PS3 could possibly the Wii of the 8th gen - getting a load of support from 3rd party companies (of course a lot of it will be shovelware, but it was the same with the PS2).

So, really, Sony WILL succeed with very strong sales from this plan however, like I said earlier - this is a huge risk on Sonys part, because it all depends on whether the other two companies decide to release a new console (I think they will, more likely Nintendo) but if they dont this plan could fail, however, it could be a huge success, when the Wii has ended its life and stops selling and PS3 gets go and possibly passes its sales and it could be almost impossible to catch the PS3's sales in the 8th gen, it'll be like trying to take on the PS2 at its 60 million sales.

The fact is, if this succeeds, Sony has made an extremely smart move and will possibly get the best of both worlds, or maybe even three:

Consumers looking for the most powerful console
Consumers looking for a cheap HD format player
Consumers not bothered about power, but plenty of games and a cheap system

What do you guys think? I think if this is the 10 year plan Sony has made - I love it, whether it works or fails, you've got to respect them for risking it and trying a new tactic.

Dream it while you can, maybe someday ill make you understand, while were living the dreams we have as fanboys fade away.....

 

 

      The end of gen prediction numbers in your sig are quite accurate imo (The Wii sales do probably need to be adjusted down by 5 to 20 million though).  Just not for the end of the generation but for what the numbers will be when the 360 is being replaced by the Nextbox.  However, after that point in 2010, the PS3 is going to go on to sell 50 million more consoles.

i think that the PS3 will sell 50m or so lifetime, but i expect the 360 to sell 50m as well and i dont see either selling more than 60m, certianly they wont catch the Wii, also i think 50m is respectable for Sony, it keeps them in the console war with MS as well as selling enough consoles to make a PS4 viable and attract exclusives and multi platform releases, i think the idea that the PS3 will sell 100m or still be selling well in 2017 is nonsense though, its just not realistic. As for the next XBOX, i imagine it will be out in 2011 at the earliest, MS have done much better with the 360 than i thought so i dont see them putting a new one out before 2011, if anything it may be later, like 2012 or 2013.

     Do you think that Epic is going to wait four to five years to release Gears 3 after the first two have sold over 5 million copies?  And without a Bungie made Halo 4 or Gears 3 what other console launch title does Microsoft have that would justify a large number of people purchasing a $400 to $500 console during a holiday launch season?  Most of their other games have only received review scores in the 8 to 9 range and less than 2 million in sales. 

 

 

lol, you really underestimate MS, you think that Halo and Gears are the 360s only franchises?



nintendo_fanboy on 03 January 2009
BTFeather55 said:

     Do you think that Epic is going to wait four to five years to release Gears 3 after the first two have sold over 5 million copies?  And without a Bungie made Halo 4 or Gears 3 what other console launch title does Microsoft have that would justify a large number of people purchasing a $400 to $500 console during a holiday launch season?  Most of their other games have only received review scores in the 8 to 9 range and less than 2 million in sales. 

 

You are making assumptions out of your ass.

Why can't there be a Gears of War 3 on the 360?

Why should Microsoft release its next console for 400 or 500 dollar?

Why can't Microsoft release a console without a five million upwards launch title while Sony could?

And, first and foremost, why should Microsoft be so stupid to end this gen already in 2010 when they are finally making a fine profit with their console?

 

Just stop talking so much nonsense.

 



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Omega_Phazon_Pirate. on 03 January 2009
Frankenstein said:
NJ5 said:
Graphics don't matter that much.

In term of sales, I agree. Also, judging by the Wii's success, gameplay doesn't matter either.

 

 

Well judging by the Wii's success, gameplay does matter as this is the Wii's strong point, and not the PS3s.  Haha :P.  You got owned.  Now *holds up flameshield*



                           

BTFeather55 on 03 January 2009
nintendo_fanboy said:
BTFeather55 said:

     Do you think that Epic is going to wait four to five years to release Gears 3 after the first two have sold over 5 million copies?  And without a Bungie made Halo 4 or Gears 3 what other console launch title does Microsoft have that would justify a large number of people purchasing a $400 to $500 console during a holiday launch season?  Most of their other games have only received review scores in the 8 to 9 range and less than 2 million in sales. 

 

You are making assumptions out of your ass.

Why can't there be a Gears of War 3 on the 360?

Why should Microsoft release its next console for 400 or 500 dollar?

Why can't Microsoft release a console without a five million upwards launch title while Sony could?

And, first and foremost, why should Microsoft be so stupid to end this gen already in 2010 when they are finally making a fine profit with their console?

 

Just stop talking so much nonsense.

 

1.  It is strange how you 360 and Wii fans can troll a Sony board and throw insults around without any impunity, yet if any Sony fan goes over to the Wii and 360 boards and tries the same thing they usually get an automatic ban.

 

2.  There could be, but fourth segments don't tend to sell as well which is why most series end in trilogies instead of going on farther than that and risking overkill. eg. Splinter Cell.

3.  Because they will want it to be as comparably powerful to the 360 as the 360 was to the original xbox.

4.  Didn't work out too well for the PS3 or the Sega Saturn did it?

5.  The same reason they did in 2005 following the release of Halo 2 one of the biggest games of its gen and for the same reason they moved from XP to Vista because they were ready to work with new technology.  They've given up on winning this gen already (see the article released last summer when one of the Microsoft ceo's is saying that the Wii has won this gen and they are going to battle Sony for second place -- you don't see such defeatist statements coming out of Sony) and are ready to start working on winning the next one. 

 



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Omega_Phazon_Pirate. on 03 January 2009

@ BTF, funny how you ignore the Wii trolling in this thread.  Plus I got to this topic because it was a "hot topic" on the front page as how I get to most topics.  Doesn't really matter which board it's on.



                           

NJ5 on 03 January 2009
BTFeather55 said:
nintendo_fanboy said:

And, first and foremost, why should Microsoft be so stupid to end this gen already in 2010 when they are finally making a fine profit with their console?

5.  The same reason they did in 2005 following the release of Halo 2 one of the biggest games of its gen and for the same reason they moved from XP to Vista because they were ready to work with new technology.  They've given up on winning this gen already (see the article released last summer when one of the Microsoft ceo's is saying that the Wii has won this gen and they are going to battle Sony for second place -- you don't see such defeatist statements coming out of Sony) and are ready to start working on winning the next one. 

 

Apparently you don't know much about Xbox's history. The reason the Xbox was discontinued was that NVIDIA stopped making GPUs due to a feud with MS. Since NVIDIA owned the GPU's design, Microsoft couldn't keep making consoles.

In this gen, Microsoft went with ATI instead, and this time they probably own the GPU's design in order to prevent the same problem.

Long story short, you won't see the same thing happening this gen. Microsoft will very likely keep the 360 alive for as long as they can, and I don't see any good reason for them to undercut its lifetime by launching another console in 2010. They're now starting to recoup the game's division losses with the X360 as a machine that sells lots of software, and they will want to keep this going for a few more years.

 



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FishyJoe on 03 January 2009

There is no reason MS couldn't release a slim 360 or lower prices even further by 2010. A $129 slim 360 could keep the system alive for another 2 years.