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@Crazzy,

I see you decided to take small snippets of comments and respond only to what suits your purpose as usual. I know nonsensical is part of your shtick but its more fun if you put some effort into it at least...

1) a)Just saying they are estimates doesn't nullify the fact that they show serious issues for the PS3 right now. And while you ignore those estimates and make a silly prediction contrary to them, each and every time you do they are proven to be correct just a short time later around the time your prediction falls flat. So feel free to dismiss them again, but in 6 months when everything I've said pans out don't be surprised. The same as when I told you that the PS3 would start trending below the PS2 in the aligned launch graph, and that even the PS3's holiday boost wouldn't catch it up...all of which you vehemently disagreed with (sort of like you're doing now)and all of which has now come absolutely true.

b) Even if I let you get away with assuming the PS3 will sell 140M units (which it would be lucky to sell half that many). And even if I assume the gap remains ~8M (which it won't, it will get bigger or smaller because we aren't going to have three >100M consoles...are you really that crazy?). Even if I go along with all of that, 5% is still a massive gap...and certainly no "merely".

Back in reality now, did you have a problem comprehending what I wrote? The rate is increasing, not decreasing. That means the gap is getting bigger, not smaller. At the current pace by the end of this generation it'll be a 12M gap not 7 or 8. At the current rate the PS3 would be lucky to break 45M let alone even begin to approach 100m.

2) Let me know if any of those even break 750k in JP sales lifetime, I'd be pretty surprised. Big games in NA and EU are breaking 750k...so if JP matters it should be able to do that too, right?

Oh, and I did get a good chuckle out of the "+Many to be announced". Many to be announced huh? So do you have a crystal ball into the future or are you a JP gaming insider? I'd love to know how you reconcile the idea that you (a person known for being horribly wrong in your predictions) magically knows how many games will be announced in the future while rejecting estimates (from a source with a consistent track record of being accurate). I believe they call that antiprocess, and you've got a nasty nasty habit of it.

3) Last generation is a great template, you have that much correct. But the problem is that you have the consoles mixed up. The PS2 of this generation is the Wii. Or perhaps you can point out for me where the PS2 stunk up the sales charts for the first 2 years and then suddenly turned on the magic???

4) Japan matters for the Wii, and it barely matters for PS360. It's a declining market, and a market the PS3 and 360 are both doing terrible in. If you think JP matters for the PS3 you should invest in some of the companies that are putting a lot of weight behind the PS3 in JP (if you can find any other than Sony), should be a great buy if you're correct, but I hope you save your money, you'll probably need it for all the great PS3 games coming out right?

5) When are you going to grasp that games very very seldom make any difference? Killer apps are few and far between, and the only potential killer app in JP that is currently announced is DQ for the Wii. The PS3's chances of meeting your JP quoata are bleak...very very bleak...impossibly bleak. Never ever going to happen bleak. Insane to suggest it bleak. Amusing to think about bleak. Cold day in hell bleak. And you can take that to the bank.

You make crazy outlandish predictions that fall flat on their face. And once they fall flat on their face you make another one. Rinse repeat~ Your redeeming quality is that it's somewhat amusing to see what you come up with because it's usually pretty wild.

@"CRISIS", as I said Sony isn't trying to cut price, so until you explain why they would want to cut their revenue while they are trying to find ways to cut their costs this one falls in the same category as PS3 in JP. This isn't the land of fairies, gumdrops, and magic pixies....Sony can't magically turn the dial and make the PS3 cheaper..it costs money to research and revise hardware to cheaper costs, and it eats into revenue to drop the price....at this point if things are bad enough it's possible that the former won't happen let alone the latter.

When the financial results come in mid-January you will see what I'm talking about. The money Sony makes on HOME and BR is irrelevant because if the company wasn't having problems overall they wouldn't be cutting fat and trying to fix what isn't broken. The bottom line is that Sony is living on a tight budget and the last thing you do to a tight budget is volunteer to permanently give up a chunk of your income.

@PS3 games VS Wii60 games,

Uhm sure...and why is it that both the Wii and 360 are selling so well and the PS3 is selling so poorly? You'd think with all the great games on the horizon people would be getting a PS3 while they can! The point is that your statement is true for you personally....but the vast majority of consumers disagree and they tell you so every week as they vote with their wallets and the PS3 data reports low sales.

Now, the PS3 will recover a bit in '09 I think and do a bit better than it has lately. But if you think for a second it has even the slightest chance of breaking 14 million units (CY) then you're deluding yourself.  Production alone is likely to limit it to less than that.

PS - OK, that's my two post limit for a Crazzyman thread. I've done my part to keep the entertainment going, now someone else has to do their part.



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Sqrl said:

@Crazzy,

I see you decided to take small snippets of comments and respond only to what suits your purpose as usual. I know nonsensical is part of your shtick but its more fun if you put some effort into it at least...

1) a)Just saying they are estimates doesn't nullify the fact that they show serious issues for the PS3 right now. And while you ignore those estimates and make a silly prediction contrary to them, each and every time you do they are proven to be correct just a short time later around the time your prediction falls flat. So feel free to dismiss them again, but in 6 months when everything I've said pans out don't be surprised. The same as when I told you that the PS3 would start trending below the PS2 in the aligned launch graph, and that even the PS3's holiday boost wouldn't catch it up...all of which you vehemently disagreed with (sort of like you're doing now)and all of which has now come absolutely true.

b) Even if I let you get away with assuming the PS3 will sell 140M units (which it would be lucky to sell half that many). And even if I assume the gap remains ~8M (which it won't, it will get bigger or smaller because we aren't going to have three >100M consoles...are you really that crazy?). Even if I go along with all of that, 5% is still a massive gap...and certainly no "merely".

Back in reality now, did you have a problem comprehending what I wrote? The rate is increasing, not decreasing. That means the gap is getting bigger, not smaller. At the current pace by the end of this generation it'll be a 12M gap not 7 or 8. At the current rate the PS3 would be lucky to break 45M let alone even begin to approach 100m.

2) Let me know if any of those even break 750k in JP sales lifetime, I'd be pretty surprised. Big games in NA and EU are breaking 750k...so if JP matters it should be able to do that too, right?

Oh, and I did get a good chuckle out of the "+Many to be announced". Many to be announced huh? So do you have a crystal ball into the future or are you a JP gaming insider? I'd love to know how you reconcile the idea that you (a person known for being horribly wrong in your predictions) magically knows how many games will be announced in the future while rejecting estimates (from a source with a consistent track record of being accurate). I believe they call that antiprocess, and you've got a nasty nasty habit of it.

3) Last generation is a great template, you have that much correct. But the problem is that you have the consoles mixed up. The PS2 of this generation is the Wii. Or perhaps you can point out for me where the PS2 stunk up the sales charts for the first 2 years and then suddenly turned on the magic???

4) Japan matters for the Wii, and it barely matters for PS360. It's a declining market, and a market the PS3 and 360 are both doing terrible in. If you think JP matters for the PS3 you should invest in some of the companies that are putting a lot of weight behind the PS3 in JP (if you can find any other than Sony), should be a great buy if you're correct, but I hope you save your money, you'll probably need it for all the great PS3 games coming out right?

5) When are you going to grasp that games very very seldom make any difference? Killer apps are few and far between, and the only potential killer app in JP that is currently announced is DQ for the Wii. The PS3's chances of meeting your JP quoata are bleak...very very bleak...impossibly bleak. Never ever going to happen bleak. Insane to suggest it bleak. Amusing to think about bleak. Cold day in hell bleak. And you can take that to the bank.

You make crazy outlandish predictions that fall flat on their face. And once they fall flat on their face you make another one. Rinse repeat~ Your redeeming quality is that it's somewhat amusing to see what you come up with because it's usually pretty wild.

@"CRISIS", as I said Sony isn't trying to cut price, so until you explain why they would want to cut their revenue while they are trying to find ways to cut their costs this one falls in the same category as PS3 in JP. This isn't the land of fairies, gumdrops, and magic pixies....Sony can't magically turn the dial and make the PS3 cheaper..it costs money to research and revise hardware to cheaper costs, and it eats into revenue to drop the price....at this point if things are bad enough it's possible that the former won't happen let alone the latter.

When the financial results come in mid-January you will see what I'm talking about. The money Sony makes on HOME and BR is irrelevant because if the company wasn't having problems overall they wouldn't be cutting fat and trying to fix what isn't broken. The bottom line is that Sony is living on a tight budget and the last thing you do to a tight budget is volunteer to permanently give up a chunk of your income.

@PS3 games VS Wii60 games,

Uhm sure...and why is it that both the Wii and 360 are selling so well and the PS3 is selling so poorly? You'd think with all the great games on the horizon people would be getting a PS3 while they can! The point is that your statement is true for you personally....but the vast majority of consumers disagree and they tell you so every week as they vote with their wallets and the PS3 data reports low sales.

Now, the PS3 will recover a bit in '09 I think and do a bit better than it has lately. But if you think for a second it has even the slightest chance of breaking 14 million units (CY) then you're deluding yourself.

PS - OK, that's my two post limit for a Crazzyman thread. I've done my part to keep the entertainment going, now someone else has to do their part.

So sayeth the VGChartz God! All praise him!

 

 



Cool, a talking brick wall. Does Sony produce those?



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kowenicki said:
sunday_goes said:
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this.

@sunday

great avatar from a great video for a great song.

 

1979 correct?



Brainslug said:

Come on everyone, let's all stop this silly "Rationalizing" and "Observing Market Trends" and "Deductive Logic" or even "Common Sense"...

It's a Dream, haven't you all ever had "Dreams"? How would "you" feel if you had a bunch of people "Telling" you that you'll never get to bang Jessica Alba.

Wouldn't you cluch to your dream? Just tell yourself over and over how "There's a chance..." while rocking back and forth in a corner, hugging your favorite Life-Size Teletubbies Plushie?

 

 LOL, Sony fanboys are the most delusional ones I have ever come across.



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misteromar mk4 said:
Brainslug said:

Come on everyone, let's all stop this silly "Rationalizing" and "Observing Market Trends" and "Deductive Logic" or even "Common Sense"...

It's a Dream, haven't you all ever had "Dreams"? How would "you" feel if you had a bunch of people "Telling" you that you'll never get to bang Jessica Alba.

Wouldn't you cluch to your dream? Just tell yourself over and over how "There's a chance..." while rocking back and forth in a corner, hugging your favorite Life-Size Teletubbies Plushie?

 LOL, Sony fanboys are the most delusional ones I have ever come across.

No. It's just that Crazzy + MikeB have more balls to post for the failing console. Avinash_Tyagi and John Lucas have also made some insane BS predictions (John said the Wii would sell ~60 units by today, and made that prediction right at the end of '07. Avinash claims the Wii will sell above 250,000,000 units lifetime). I am also sure that, with some digging, you'll find some crazy X360 predictions on the forum, but they seem to be more level-headed, I think. I got a lot of flak by VGC users for claiming the X360 would sell 26,000,000 consoles by the end of 2008, which shows you how low users' expectations were for the 360 in 08.



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mrstickball said:
misteromar mk4 said:
Brainslug said:

Come on everyone, let's all stop this silly "Rationalizing" and "Observing Market Trends" and "Deductive Logic" or even "Common Sense"...

It's a Dream, haven't you all ever had "Dreams"? How would "you" feel if you had a bunch of people "Telling" you that you'll never get to bang Jessica Alba.

Wouldn't you cluch to your dream? Just tell yourself over and over how "There's a chance..." while rocking back and forth in a corner, hugging your favorite Life-Size Teletubbies Plushie?

 LOL, Sony fanboys are the most delusional ones I have ever come across.

No. It's just that Crazzy + MikeB have more balls to post for the failing console. Avinash_Tyagi and John Lucas have also made some insane BS predictions (John said the Wii would sell ~60 units by today, and made that prediction right at the end of '07. Avinash claims the Wii will sell above 250,000,000 units lifetime). I am also sure that, with some digging, you'll find some crazy X360 predictions on the forum, but they seem to be more level-headed, I think. I got a lot of flak by VGC users for claiming the X360 would sell 26,000,000 consoles by the end of 2008, which shows you how low users' expectations were for the 360 in 08.

Then I submit that we classify all prediction so that outnumber the amount of consoles that the Companies themselves plan to build in said timeframe as "dreams"

Nintendo didn't plan on having built 60 mil Wiis by this date and Sony most definitely won't build that many machines by then as well. No company plans on manufactuing more product than they themselves expect to be able to sell. (in Wii's case, manufacturing capacity was maxed out)

 



CrazzyMan said:

numonex,
1) EXCLUSIVES bring MORE sales, then multiplatform games.
2) GTA4 was a dissapointment fior MANY people.

YES, IF they are on the top selling console, like the Wii.  NOT on a console like a PS3.  So, how is Resistance 2 doing compared to World at War on the PS3, by the way?

And the 2008 Iraqi Information Minister award goes to...

 



misteromar mk4 said:
Brainslug said:

Come on everyone, let's all stop this silly "Rationalizing" and "Observing Market Trends" and "Deductive Logic" or even "Common Sense"...

It's a Dream, haven't you all ever had "Dreams"? How would "you" feel if you had a bunch of people "Telling" you that you'll never get to bang Jessica Alba.

Wouldn't you cluch to your dream? Just tell yourself over and over how "There's a chance..." while rocking back and forth in a corner, hugging your favorite Life-Size Teletubbies Plushie?

 

 LOL, Sony fanboys are the most delusional ones I have ever come across.

There are delusional fanboys in all the camps. However, Sony fanboys have a big problem... they never had to face a loss before. Everything was always rosy on the Sony camp before this generation.

Nintendo and Microsoft fans know defeat. Many Sony fans already know it too, but there's a particular segment which is still in denial and likely will stay there for 1 or 2 more years (to be optimistic).

 



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Sqrl,

1) a)Just saying they are estimates doesn't nullify the fact that they show serious issues for the PS3 right now.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 20th Dec 2008:

Console PS3 X360
Total
9,968,790
10,622,325
America
3,747,216
5,162,832
Japan
953,374
313,069
Total Others
5,268,200
5,146,424

Less then 1 mln. YTD, serious issues.
-1,5 mln. in NA, 199-299$ vs 399$(no bundles)
+650k in Japan with 30k yen(AC6+KD) vs 40k yen(GT5P)
+140k in Europe with 200 euro vs 400 euro

sales - WOW, serious trouble, LOL.

The same as when I told you that the PS3 would start trending below the PS2 in the aligned launch graph,
CRISIS.
5% is still a massive gap...
If you have 1000$ salary, and lost 50$ is that MASSIVE for you?
That means the gap is getting bigger, not smaller.
Till PS3 will get PRICECUT, then situation will be totally different, just like x360 now ahead, PS3 will be ahead by A LOT.
2) Let me know if any of those even break 750k in JP sales lifetime, I'd be pretty surprised. Big games in NA and EU are breaking 750k...so if JP matters it should be able to do that too, right?
FFXIII+GT5, and you will get what you want for most BIG Japan oriented games.
Many to be announced huh?
On TGS PS3 got 2 games, which comign in next several months. Recently was announced CC game for PS3. Most Japan PS3 games get announced in 5-7 months before release.
The PS2 of this generation is the Wii.
WISHFUL thinking, go a page back, you will se HOW MANY GOOD 3rd party games Wii is NOT GETTING.
Wii has barealy any GOOD 3rd games support. DQX and MH3 is achievemnt, but that`s it.
Sony can't magically turn the dial and make the PS3 cheaper
How do you know that??? You don`t have FACTS just your opinuion, like mine. RSX+Cell 45nm FTW!
Uhm sure...and why is it that both the Wii and 360 are selling so well and the PS3 is selling so poorly?
CRISIS + PRICE.
But if you think for a second it has even the slightest chance of breaking 14 million units
It may sell 14 mln. in 2009, and 20 mln. in 2010, 22 mln. in 2011 and 24 mln. in 2012. =)



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far