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BTFeather55 said:
Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
BTFeather55 said:
In another post, I said it was unlikely that the Nextbox would be coming out in 2009,  I also said it would be surprising if it comes out any later than 2010.  Of course until GDC 2009 and E3 2009 roll around without a NB announcement, then the four year console notion may be discredited but not disproven.  There is a difference.
Microsoft is much more likely to try to release a new system with an IP like Gears 3 than Forza.  I'm sure Epic and Microsoft won't have much trouble reaching an agreement on a third game in the series considering the first one has already sold 5 million copies and the second one is heading towards that number as well.  Forza has only sold a little over 4 million copies and it won't reach 5 million before Gears II does even though it was released quit a bit longer ago.

There is evidence that Microsoft has been in the planning stages of the next xbox for quite a while.  In '08 more than a couple of hints were released about it and even the announcement that one of its games was already in development.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165235
http://gizmodo.com/5063680/next-xbox-will-upgrade-xbox-360-games-to-look-amazing-use-new-controller-features
Well of course all 3 console makers are at some point in the planning stages.  But that doesn't say much about the timeline on the console's release, not even having at least one game in development.

Earlier, I believe you said that the next Xbox would come out at such and such a time because of the timing with the next Gears of War game.  But although these big exclusives are indeed juggernauts, they are not in fact able to push around console launches.  If Gears of War 3 is considered a critical asset to the next Xbox's launch window, it can get delayed more easily than MS will revise its preferred launch timing.
Microsoft's preferred launch timing is November 2010.  The longest that the delay between Gears 2 and 3 is will be 3 years much as it was between Halo 2 and 3 giving Microsoft a year to get the Nextbox's price point down to a more consumer friendly one while keeping the clamor for Gears 3 as high as it has been built.  History in this industry tends to repeat itself.

What history are you referring to?  Halo 3 was two years after the 360 launch, and Halo was not a known franchise at the Xbox launch. 

Why do you say that 2010 is the preferred launch year?  All I can concentrate on is Arthur C. Clarke references.



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kars said:
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      I don't know how it is going to be selling in such low numbers with such huge exclusives as God of War III, ... and Gran Turismo 5 all on the way.

Difficult to say, but look at Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and even LBP. All good titles but you can't say that they really moved consoles. Instead the PS-3 sold more or less on a steady rate, bu6t while the Wii and the Xbox360 after the price cut, sell consoles to casual gamers, the PS-3 stays trageted at film enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. Better and cheaper BluRay players make the PS-3 less attractive but even with a price cut the PS-3 might have trouble to reach the casual gamers, till it can reach at least the 250$ mark.

Considering these elements and the weak economy, which will have an even stronger impact in the next year, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS-3 might sell less than 7 million consoles in the next year.

Everything after that would be pure guess work.

 

      Yes, but Resistance II and LBP are no God of War,  Gran Turismo, and at least two exclusive Final Fantasy games.  Uncharted has already proven that it is a series that can sell multiple millions of units and MGS 4 shows that exclusive games in established franchises can have good sales on the PS3.  MGS 4 has still sold more units than Gears II.  Final Fantasy XIII will move an additional 1 to 2 million PS3 units in Japan at launch and so will FF Versus XIII.  Plus, the PS3 is outselling the 360 by 3 times as many units in Japan as the 360 during this holiday season a trend which will continue for the rest of this gen and at the very least provide for an adequately long life for the PS3 due to favorable reception in the Asian market.

 



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Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
BTFeather55 said:
In another post, I said it was unlikely that the Nextbox would be coming out in 2009,  I also said it would be surprising if it comes out any later than 2010.  Of course until GDC 2009 and E3 2009 roll around without a NB announcement, then the four year console notion may be discredited but not disproven.  There is a difference.
Microsoft is much more likely to try to release a new system with an IP like Gears 3 than Forza.  I'm sure Epic and Microsoft won't have much trouble reaching an agreement on a third game in the series considering the first one has already sold 5 million copies and the second one is heading towards that number as well.  Forza has only sold a little over 4 million copies and it won't reach 5 million before Gears II does even though it was released quit a bit longer ago.

There is evidence that Microsoft has been in the planning stages of the next xbox for quite a while.  In '08 more than a couple of hints were released about it and even the announcement that one of its games was already in development.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165235
http://gizmodo.com/5063680/next-xbox-will-upgrade-xbox-360-games-to-look-amazing-use-new-controller-features
Well of course all 3 console makers are at some point in the planning stages.  But that doesn't say much about the timeline on the console's release, not even having at least one game in development.

Earlier, I believe you said that the next Xbox would come out at such and such a time because of the timing with the next Gears of War game.  But although these big exclusives are indeed juggernauts, they are not in fact able to push around console launches.  If Gears of War 3 is considered a critical asset to the next Xbox's launch window, it can get delayed more easily than MS will revise its preferred launch timing.
Microsoft's preferred launch timing is November 2010.  The longest that the delay between Gears 2 and 3 is will be 3 years much as it was between Halo 2 and 3 giving Microsoft a year to get the Nextbox's price point down to a more consumer friendly one while keeping the clamor for Gears 3 as high as it has been built.  History in this industry tends to repeat itself.

What history are you referring to?  Halo 3 was two years after the 360 launch, and Halo was not a known franchise at the Xbox launch. 

Why do you say that 2010 is the preferred launch year?  All I can concentrate on is Arthur C. Clarke references.

 

      Actually, Halo was a very well known franchise at its launch.  The same issue of Next Generation magazine which had the announcement of the original xbox console also had an article that listed The Top 25 Games that would have the potential to be the next big franchises in gaming and Halo was listed prominently.  This was when Halo was still thought to be a PC game and no one had any idea that it was going to be an xbox game.

     Because of Gears of War 3.  Gears 2 launched 2 years after the original, so if you expect there to be two years between Gears 2 and 3, then you would expect Gears 3 to come out in November of 2010.  However, if MS were to follow a Halo 3 type pattern for the next xbox, then Gears 3 could be coming out in 2011 with the next xbox launching a year earlier as they did with the 360 so that it could gain a bit of marketshare with some new franchises while they tried to get the price down to a more consumer friendly one with the release of Halo 3 in 2007.  I don't think Gears 3 will be coming out as late as 2012 because the three years between the three Halo games gave Gears enough time to come along and still a bit of that series thunder equally, I don't I expect Gears 4 to be the big launch game of the NextBox because there is traditionally a bit of burnout in series when they go beyond trilogy format.  Examples of this burnout include Star Wars movies past the third one, original Batman series movies past the third one,  and in gaming Splinter Cell and Tomb Raider both lost a bit of momentum trying to extend their series past three games.  Three is still the magic number for franchise length across most media. 



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LOL only on here, seriously some of you kids need to pay more attention in school. Do us all a favor and take business class or two.

Basic math and logic.

20 million in 2 years, at worst a 5 year life cycle = ???? (end of thread)



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BTFeather55 said:
kars said:
BTFeather55 said:
I don't know how it is going to be selling in such low numbers with such huge exclusives as God of War III, ... and Gran Turismo 5 all on the way.
Difficult to say, but look at Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and even LBP. All good titles but you can't say that they really moved consoles. Instead the PS-3 sold more or less on a steady rate, bu6t while the Wii and the Xbox360 after the price cut, sell consoles to casual gamers, the PS-3 stays trageted at film enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. Better and cheaper BluRay players make the PS-3 less attractive but even with a price cut the PS-3 might have trouble to reach the casual gamers, till it can reach at least the 250$ mark.

Considering these elements and the weak economy, which will have an even stronger impact in the next year, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS-3 might sell less than 7 million consoles in the next year.

Everything after that would be pure guess work.
Yes, but Resistance II and LBP are no God of War, Gran Turismo, and at least two exclusive Final Fantasy games.  Uncharted has already proven that it is a series that can sell multiple millions of units and MGS 4 shows that exclusive games in established franchises can have good sales on the PS3.  MGS 4 has still sold more units than Gears II.  Final Fantasy XIII will move an additional 1 to 2 million PS3 units in Japan at launch and so will FF Versus XIII.  Plus, the PS3 is outselling the 360 by 3 times as many units in Japan as the 360 a trend which will continue for the rest of this gen and at the very least provide for an adequately long life for the PS3 due to favorable reception in the Asian market.

Not according to VG Chartz

It's not outselling the 360 as much as it used to, but more importantly, beating the 360 in Japan is like winning the Special Olympics. 

The PS3 is a decent 2nd place in Japan -- it might end up with sales in Japan similar to the N64 (5.55m) -- but is that really as good as you're saying?  Second place in Japan is usually WAY second.



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twingo said:
LOL only on here, seriously some of you kids need to pay more attention in school. Do us all a favor and take business class or two.

Basic math and logic.

20 million in 2 years, at worst a 5 year life cycle = ???? (end of thread)

 

      Here is some basic math:  The PS3 solidly winning the HD console wars holiday season of 2008 in Japan over the 360 by a wide margin and finishing up the year with a 50 million to 13 million edge over the 360 in that territory in 2008's last week.

     Basically my original prediction made on the Play Magazine forums in 2006 prior to the release of the PS3 is still holding up.  Basically that there will be a fractured video game industry in the future instead of the unified one that we have known since Nintendo and the Japanese consoles rose to prominence during the 8 and 16 bit eras if the 360 turns out to be highly successful.  Basically the 360 will be a clear cut winner in the HD wars in the Americas, the PS3 will be the clear winner between the hd consoles in Japan (not counting a Wii HD), and HD sales will basically be split between the PS3 and 360 in Asia and Europe and as each one gains a significant price cut it will enter a time when it has the most momentum in others which is bad if you're more a fan of Japanese games than Western style games and live in the US but will probably not be as noticeable in the European markets.  If you are a big fan of Japanese style games living in the West, Nintendo will still be giving you a good taste of Japanese games if you live in the West in years to come but might not always be uncensored or controversial Japanese games (and hopefully they will move beyond the catering to the casuals thing in years to come much as early DS sales were driven by Brain  Training and Nintendogs but now they have great Square games like The World Ends with You).   



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Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
kars said:
BTFeather55 said:
I don't know how it is going to be selling in such low numbers with such huge exclusives as God of War III, ... and Gran Turismo 5 all on the way.
Difficult to say, but look at Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and even LBP. All good titles but you can't say that they really moved consoles. Instead the PS-3 sold more or less on a steady rate, bu6t while the Wii and the Xbox360 after the price cut, sell consoles to casual gamers, the PS-3 stays trageted at film enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. Better and cheaper BluRay players make the PS-3 less attractive but even with a price cut the PS-3 might have trouble to reach the casual gamers, till it can reach at least the 250$ mark.

Considering these elements and the weak economy, which will have an even stronger impact in the next year, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS-3 might sell less than 7 million consoles in the next year.

Everything after that would be pure guess work.
Yes, but Resistance II and LBP are no God of War, Gran Turismo, and at least two exclusive Final Fantasy games.  Uncharted has already proven that it is a series that can sell multiple millions of units and MGS 4 shows that exclusive games in established franchises can have good sales on the PS3.  MGS 4 has still sold more units than Gears II.  Final Fantasy XIII will move an additional 1 to 2 million PS3 units in Japan at launch and so will FF Versus XIII.  Plus, the PS3 is outselling the 360 by 3 times as many units in Japan as the 360 a trend which will continue for the rest of this gen and at the very least provide for an adequately long life for the PS3 due to favorable reception in the Asian market.

Not according to VG Chartz

It's not outselling the 360 as much as it used to, but more importantly, beating the 360 in Japan is like winning the Special Olympics. 

The PS3 is a decent 2nd place in Japan -- it might end up with sales in Japan similar to the N64 (5.55m) -- but is that really as good as you're saying?  Second place in Japan is usually WAY second.

     It will do much better in Japan than the N64.  That is a given considering that the PS3 is going to have two exclusive Final Fantasies in that territory while the N64 didn't even have one.

 



Heavens to Murgatoids.

yes its gonna sell 40 million its a matter of when not if.



 

DMeisterJ said:
PS3 will only sell 3 million consoles next year according to seph's sig.

lol.

 


And I felt I lowballed all my predictions..



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