Kasz216 said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Kasz216 said:
Comrade Tovya said:
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Comrade Tovya said:
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The_vagabond7 said:
I guess I got in a bit late on this one, not much to say at this point.
I think it's obvious that Yeshua existed, alot of Yeshuas existed. I think there is enough evidence to support this very simple hypothesis. A man named Yeshua existed. It's obvious that at least one of them, taught people something. I think the only question is a matter of how much of what is said about him is actually him, and how much of it is proponents of him exaggerating or assigning words to him that he never said and actions he never did. I mean the idea that a guy said something and then thirty years later it was transcribed word for word is a bit far fetched, especially given that the same people say he rose from the dead and appeared in visions and controlled the weather.
How much of it was the actual words and acts of Jesus/Yeshua and how much came from the people creating a religion around him? And given that so many things he did "fulfilled prophecy" even to the contradiction of history and one another's accounts, it's pretty much a given that a chunk of his life was made up for the sake of creating a religion. It's just a matter of how much.
Personally, I'm of the Atheists for Jesus camp. I like to think some guy actually went around teaching most of the humanist philosophy that the gospels ascribe to him, and he was just a profound and compassionate thinker of the time.
Unless you take a faith based view and then of course he's real and walks on water, it says so right there in the bible, case closed.
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Yeah, i'm not argueing with any of that.
I was just stating he existed.
I think a lot of what Jesus said was likely distorted to fit the peoples views at the time... and that it's the same with basically every religion.
I mean... why does god care if I wear clothes made of wool and linen combined?
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Are you Jewish? If not, then he doesn't care. The laws of the goyim (non-Jews) and Jews are different. You don't need Jesus to make you feel better about wearing shatnez.
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It goes the same with just about every religion. It was just an example.
Lots of those jewish laws seem more for the betterment and survivial of the ancient jews then anything God actually cared about.
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No, they are laws that are good for Jews period. If you aren't Jewish, it doesn't concern you anyway, so don't worry about it. No Jew expects a non-Jew to follow Jewish law... you guys have your own laws, and that's good enough. We've never preached to non-Jews or tryed to convert them... you guys have your thing and we've got ours. Shalom Aleichem.
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So it's all good to talk about Jesus, but the minute someone points out that it's silly to think God thinks it's wrong to eat a hamburger and a glass of milk together you get all offended?
I can point to laws like that in a number of religions that seem to be more about social well being then anything reall god mandated.
God just being thrown in to give said rules more weight.
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What the hell are you talking about?
I just said that Jewish laws don't apply to non-Jews, so it's a non-issue. Why would a non-Jew argue about Jewish law to begin with? It has nothing to do with them.
Much the same reason why I don't gripe about Buddhists, Taoists, or Hindus. They don't care if I believe different than they do, nor do I care if they believe different than I.
I gave you my blessing to believe however you wish, and I would never critisize you for it...
Why exactly are you arguing with me? Are you bored or something? Are you one of those people who need someone to fight?
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You're the one that started the arguement. I'm not criticizing anyone.
I stated that it seems that a lot of laws are simply made up in all religions by people who claim it to be the will of god when there is no reason for such laws to be.
If I was Jewish would that suddenly entitle me to a reason why god would care why I could wear cotten or linen but not both together in a garment?
If your have a reason for it, I'd like to hear it.
Otherwise i'll still think it's probably a false belief. I could be wrong but hey like you said. It's not my law to follow so who cares anwyay?
I'm simply saying it seems a lot of laws seem more like they'd come from the mouth of a villiage elder then god.
For example the "Cows are Sacred" thing in Hindu.
At first it was just milking cows.
Never slaughter a milking cow for food. Seems like good common sense to me more then the law of god.
This latter spread to all beef... as it was preferable to be a vegtarian...
Which is actually the case in Christianity too though not many people make note of it.
Probably because it was safer back then what with ecoli and cooking irregularties that could be brought on by a number of things people didn't know about.
Not criticizing anyone for believing in it. Just stating that the reasons for the laws seem more physical then spirutual.
Though the observation of course is spiritual in nature.
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No, there is a hue difference in what we are talkin about. The Christian Bible says that all of mankind must believe in Jesus or face the fiery pits of hell.
The Jewish Bible says, if you are or choose to be Jewish, you have to follow these 613 mitzvos, but if you are not Jewish, you don't have to follow them, and you can still be righteous before God.
So I fail to see the connection here.
If Judaism said that you had to follow these laws or perish, then I could see you point, but it doesn't. It actually specifically says that you don't need to be Jewish to be righteous.
So we are comparin apples to oranges here.
If you are Jewish, then by all means, lets knock this ball out of the park, but if you are not, why would we debate a religion that says you are fine just the way you are? It really seems like you are reaching for an arguement?
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