| blackstar said: "She told me that one of her little 8-year old cousins was walking around the house with an AK-47 talking about being a martyr. She was of course shocked, being that over here in the States, that would be considered child endangerment amongst other things.
ur friend is telling u that her family members are extremists and I'm telling u a family like that would never welcome anyone like ur friend and allow her to visit her because simply they wouldn't think of her as a muslim that was my reason for not believing her , anyway you r right I shouldn't have called her a liar because she might not be , for that I'm sorry again,
now about the education thing , let me tell u what I know : I have Palestinian mates living in Palestine and they are currently with me, we are studying in the same college-I'm in Egypt right now- and I agree there are extremists families that agree on killing innocent people everywhere just like the one ur friend described -except for the weapons part because it's just not like that and it's not that easy- they do believe that Israel has nothing to do in palestine , they do believe in fighting for freedom , they are ok with targeting Israeli civilians and think of it as a "defence and a way to free Palestine" and they hate America -for obvious reasons- , all these things are driven by anger generated from the pain they lived through , and that anger doesn't need eductaion it's part of their lives Palestinian kids grow up in an enviroment just like the one u see on tv these days , no food supplies no electricity no proper education and they are convinced that Israel is the only one to blame , again it's not education it's part of their lives
I think u got bored from all the stuff I wrote , so finally I'll tell u what I think as a muslim who doesn't believe in loving other people just because they are from the same country I am from ,who believe that we are all humans and should be loved and hated by what we do not where we are from, I'll tell what I think should be the solution is: killing innocent people is WRONG but fighting for freedom is not , Palestinians do grow up in unhealthy enviroment but I don't blame Israel alone for that, other arabic countries should interfere and stop the miserable situation there and save Palestinian from them selves , why arabic countries? because they started this war together and they have to finish it in peaceful ways, Other countries can help too, but we can't blame them if they don't because every Country has its own problems, they should talk to Hammas, make them step down so they can start building Palestine from the begining and not to forget getting the palestinian what was theirs in peacful ways, arabic countries have oil and they can be a powerfull voice that can solve problems with peace , that was what I think the way things should go but sadly , that won't happen because the arabic presidents are too busy stealing , frightening, giving us the shitiest education on earth and shuting us up so they can keep their positions and their money not to forget sparing some time to hate each other ... so simply it's not gonna work , believe us when we say we wanna be better , we wanna share building this planet but we can't because our presdints don't want us to do that..... lol I wrote too many things and it took a long time and I might be wrong or right , may be I'm too stuipd to think that way :) |
First and foremost, her family was closely aligned with the PLF, who are Marxists, and not religious in nature. He father was a large donor to the PLF and the PLO (both organizations are not, nor have ever been very religious) therefore, that is why he was able to visit.
He also has a picture of himself and Arafat embracing above his fireplace, and because his brother was THE general of the PLO armies, he did hold a VIP status in the PLO prior to Arafats death, and his brother's kidnapping and arrest by Shin Bet/Mossad.
He cannot enter the territories anymore because Arafat is dead, and his brother is rotting away in prison. So you'd be right in asserting that he would no longer be welcome under the Hamas regime, because he has never been Hamas-friendly per se.
And as for the justified hate you spoke of, I could not agree less. I have plenty of reason to hate people for how I grew up... I grew up in poverty, and was kicked around myself. Of course, instead of channeling my hatred by destructive means, I decided that I would become wealthy instead. Which I did, and that has been the best revenge that I could have possibly dished out.Succeeding when others want to see you fail, and actively pursue such can only be countered by doing exactly the opposite...
But the Palestinian children ARE taught to HATE Jews and the active goal of the PLO and Hamas is to "drive the Jews into the sea"
It's been part of both organizations charters since day one, and their school textbooks call for the destruction of Israel, and their children ARE taught from a very young age on how to shoot rifles and commit guerilla warfare and terrorism.
Those are not matters of opinion, they have been proven time and time again with factual proof. My buddy Abdul moved over here for that reason. He's no fan of Israel, but he didn't want his kids being raised in environment that glorified suicide in the form of straping a bomb on one's self and killing other human beings. Two of my closest friends in life are Palestinian Muslims, and while we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, we both love our kids more than we hate our enemies, so we have a common ground.
But I do certainly agree with you on the Arabic leaders.. they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. If the truth be known, that is why they lost 4 consecutive wars to Israel... each Arab leader wants to be in charge, and therefore, no one is. They squable amongst themselves and accomplish nothing.
Arafat was handed over 99% of his demands at the Wye River Accords/Camp David II, he still said no. That isn't peace, that's greed. The only three Arab countries that are decent is Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Both of those nations have built a stable modern infrastructure for their people and actually modernized their nations. Every Arab country needs to do the same... they all need to build a modern nation before their oil runs out, which it will someday. They need to use that money to better the lives of their people and build industry that will outlast the oil. The problem with the middle east is that the leaders are too busy sucking the oil from the ground and spending on luxuries and palaces while their people live in poverty. And what will happen 60 years from now when the oil is gone? They will a 13th century country again overnight, because too many Arab leaders are worried about living a life of luxury now, and not thinking about the future. Anyway...
And there is nothing stupid about your opinions. If you want peace for both Muslim and Jew, then you and I are on the same page. Unfortunately, us wanting it is not enough. The leadership really doesn't want that, they have their own agendas, and that's why the peace process will never work. In the 6th and 7th century, during the time of the prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Jews and Muslims were on the same page, and that train wrecked somewhere along the way.
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