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blackstar said:

"She told me that one of her little 8-year old cousins was walking around the house with an AK-47 talking about being a martyr. She was of course shocked, being that over here in the States, that would be considered child endangerment amongst other things.

One of her other cousins took her into a back room, and showed her a closet that was jam packed with rocket propelled grenades, assault rifles, and other weapons.

She said that she'd heard that kids over there started learning the ways of violence very young, but that she had no idea how serious that accusation was until she saw it with her own eyes.

Long story short, she told me that it was her first and final visit, and that she would never go back, because it was just too frightening."

 

ur friend is telling u that her family members are extremists and I'm telling u a family like that would never welcome anyone like ur friend and allow her to visit her because simply they wouldn't think of her as a muslim

that was my reason for not believing her , anyway you r right I shouldn't have called her a liar because she might not be ,

for that I'm sorry again,

 

now about the education thing , let me tell u what I know :

I have Palestinian mates living in Palestine and they are currently with me, we are studying in the same college-I'm in Egypt right now-

and I agree there are extremists families that agree on killing innocent people everywhere just like the one ur friend described -except for the weapons part because it's just not like that and it's not that easy-

they do believe that Israel has nothing to do in palestine , they do believe in fighting for freedom , they are ok with targeting Israeli civilians and think of it as a "defence and a way to free Palestine" and they hate America -for obvious reasons-  , all these things are driven by anger generated from the pain they lived through , and that anger doesn't need eductaion it's part of their lives

Palestinian kids grow up in an enviroment just like the one u see on tv these days , no food supplies no electricity no proper education and they are convinced that Israel is the only one to blame , again it's not education it's part of their lives

 

I think u got bored from all the stuff I wrote , so finally I'll tell u what I think as a muslim who doesn't believe in loving other people just because they are from the same country I am from ,who believe that we are all humans and should be loved and hated by what we do not where we are from, I'll tell what I think should be the solution is:

killing innocent people is WRONG but fighting for freedom is not , Palestinians do grow up in unhealthy enviroment but I don't blame Israel alone for that,

other arabic countries should interfere and stop the miserable situation there and save Palestinian from them selves , why arabic countries? because they started this war together and they have to finish it in peaceful ways, Other countries can help too, but we can't blame them if they don't because every Country has its own problems,

they should talk to Hammas, make them step down so they can start building Palestine from the begining and not to forget getting the palestinian what was theirs in peacful ways, arabic countries have oil and they can be a powerfull voice that can solve problems with peace ,

that was what I think the way things should go but sadly , that won't happen because the arabic presidents are too busy stealing , frightening, giving us the shitiest education on earth and shuting us up so they can keep their positions and their money not to forget sparing some time to hate each other ...

so simply it's not gonna work , believe us when we say we wanna be better , we wanna share building this planet but we can't because our presdints don't want us to do that.....

lol I wrote too many things and it took a long time and I might be wrong or right , may be I'm too stuipd to think that way :)

 

First and foremost, her family was closely aligned with the PLF, who are Marxists, and not religious in nature.  He father was a large donor to the PLF and the PLO (both organizations are not, nor have ever been very religious) therefore, that is why he was able to visit.

He also has a picture of himself and Arafat embracing above his fireplace, and because his brother was THE general of the PLO armies, he did hold a VIP status in the PLO prior to Arafats death, and his brother's kidnapping and arrest by Shin Bet/Mossad.

He cannot enter the territories anymore because Arafat is dead, and his brother is rotting away in prison.  So you'd be right in asserting that he would no longer be welcome under the Hamas regime, because he has never been Hamas-friendly per se.

And as for the justified hate you spoke of, I could not agree less. I have plenty of reason to hate people for how I grew up... I grew up in poverty, and was kicked around myself.  Of course, instead of channeling my hatred by destructive means, I decided that I would become wealthy instead.  Which I did, and that has been the best revenge that I could have possibly dished out.Succeeding when others want to see you fail, and actively pursue such can only be countered by doing exactly the opposite...

But the Palestinian children ARE taught to HATE Jews and the active goal of the PLO and Hamas is to "drive the Jews into the sea"

It's been part of both organizations charters since day one, and their school textbooks call for the destruction of Israel, and their children ARE taught from a very young age on how to shoot rifles and commit guerilla warfare and terrorism.

Those are not matters of opinion, they have been proven time and time again with factual proof.  My buddy Abdul moved over here for that reason.  He's no fan of Israel, but he didn't want his kids being raised in environment that glorified suicide in the form of straping a bomb on one's self and killing other human beings.  Two of my closest friends in life are Palestinian Muslims, and while we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, we both love our kids more than we hate our enemies, so we have a common ground.

But I do certainly agree with you on the Arabic leaders.. they are too busy fighting amongst themselves.  If the truth be known, that is why they lost 4 consecutive wars to Israel... each Arab leader wants to be in charge, and therefore, no one is.  They squable amongst themselves and accomplish nothing. 

Arafat was handed over 99% of his demands at the Wye River Accords/Camp David II, he still said no.  That isn't peace, that's greed.  The only three Arab countries that are decent is Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.  Both of those nations have built a stable modern infrastructure for their people and actually modernized their nations.  Every Arab country needs to do the same... they all need to build a modern nation before their oil runs out, which it will someday.  They need to use that money to better the lives of their people and build industry that will outlast the oil.  The problem with the middle east is that the leaders are too busy sucking the oil from the ground and spending on luxuries and palaces while their people live in poverty.  And what will happen 60 years from now when the oil is gone?  They will a 13th century country again overnight, because too many Arab leaders are worried about living a life of luxury now, and not thinking about the future.  Anyway...

And there is nothing stupid about your opinions.  If you want peace for both Muslim and Jew, then you and I are on the same page.  Unfortunately, us wanting it is not enough.  The leadership really doesn't want that, they have their own agendas, and that's why the peace process will never work.  In the 6th and 7th century, during the time of the prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Jews and Muslims were on the same page, and that train wrecked somewhere along the way.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
A. Evidence plz. If there are Jewish terrorists as bad as Muslim ones, how come we don't see Jewish kids on Internet videos with weapons and doing crazy propaganda like we do Palestinians?
Irony rears its head

Only if he gives me a news article about 5-year-old Jewish terrorist kids and I reject it as merely secondhand (therefore worthless) evidence.



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Your unreasoning hatred of second-hand sources is probably the biggest stumbling block here. One must be careful whom to trust when getting information, since some (like yourself in your example) would be obviously pushing an agenda. But others (the early Roman sources) would be pretty neutral and it's merely a question of how much THEY could be trusted to have investigated what they are reporting.

There isn't just, like, one source of a madman's scribblings. There are several sources, including authors who are known to be pretty credible historians.

As for whether or not the Jesus-never-existed theory is a fringe belief characterizable as x<1% of serious historians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
Graham N. Stanton writes, "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed and that the gospels contain plenty of valuable evidence which has to be weighed and assessed critically. There is general agreement that, with the possible exception of Paul, we know far more about Jesus of Nazareth than about any first- or second century Jewish or pagan religious teacher."

Even those who favor the theory agree that the vast majority of historians don't find the didn't-exist theory plausible. "Van Voorst is quite right in saying that 'mainstream scholarship today finds it unimportant.' Most of their comments ... are limited to expressions of contempt."

For an example of those comments that go a little deeper than mere contempt, try this:
http://www.bede.org.uk/price8.htm

 

 Who said anything about hatred of second hand evidence, I just said it wasn't enough.

Also

But, Doherty disagrees with the mainstream scholars on the strength of the case against the hypothesis, and comments that "contempt is not to be mistaken for refutation".He states that "interests, both religious and secular, have traditionally mounted a campaign against it,"[99] and states that mainstream scholarship is guilty of a "notable lack of proper understanding of the mythicist case,"[100] leading to "the non-professional scholar" and "well-informed amateur on the internet" becoming those whom he regards as "quite educated (meaning largely self-educated) in biblical research."[100] "There are those, scholars and laypeople alike, who regularly assume that something ‘big’ and unique, some powerful figure, had to be responsible for the Christian movement. But if one has consistently misread that movement, failed to recognize its antecedents, the steps of its development, imposed preconceptions upon it, they will be forever forced to make the same erroneous assumption, and alternatives will not commend themselves." [100] 

 

He's right, contempt for the theory is one thing, but contempt doesn't mean they have refuted it, or that they can even prove it wrong, only that they don't like it.



 

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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Not so KasZ, what you are stating is that there are many who accept the theory that he exists but theory isn't necessarily fact
Just like evolution?
Find me a credible expert who disbeleives in the evolution of man.
Then i'll believe there is a credible expert who disbelieves in the existence of jesus.
The problem is your definition of a "certantity" is untenable.
There is no reasonable reason to believe jesus did not exist.
I mean, i may as well claim there is no proof anyone exists.
Evolution is different, you can see the evidence in the fossil record, the genetics, and even some species and how they adapt

You have not shown me any bones, any records, or even first hand accounts of christ, nothing that supports his existence outside of second hand writings
Oh?  You have first hand bones of humans evolving from apes?  I thought it was called "The missing link" for a reason.
You also have genetic evidence of our relationship to apes, in addition you can see other species, like finches and insects adapting to environmental changes
[...]
How does DNA prove anything?
We share 50% of our DNA with Bannannas.
All that proves is we are more like Monkeys then we are Bannannas.
DNA is a "Second hand" source of pure conjecture and you've yet to show any first hand proof people have evolved from anything.
In fact we only have first hand proof of evolution in bacteria.  There is no first hand proof at all of anything past microscopic size evolving.
I mean... have you ever seen something written by someone who saw something evolve?
I haven't.
Pretty suspisious.
Ah but the question was whether evolution exists, as you yourself argue we've seen it first hand in bacteria, so then we can add in what you call the "second hand" stuff since there is something to support it.  We've seen things evolve at the cellular level and we've seen evidence that infers evolution at the multicellular level.

With Christ we only have the stuff that is second hand, nothing first hand to support it, plus the second hand stuff isn't as scientifiaclly rigorous as the fossil evidence and genetics in evolution

No, actually he said "the evolution of man", so bacteria aren't good enough.  Nor worms, which I can cite a document for.



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Final-Fan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
A. Evidence plz. If there are Jewish terrorists as bad as Muslim ones, how come we don't see Jewish kids on Internet videos with weapons and doing crazy propaganda like we do Palestinians?
Irony rears its head

Only if he gives me a news article about 5-year-old Jewish terrorist kids and I reject it as merely secondhand (therefore worthless) evidence.

 

 Wrong, he gave you second hand evidence and you refused to accept it, because it wasn't enough ,same thing i'm asking of you, your so called evidence is nothing at all and when I ask for more you say it is unreasonable



 

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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
Your unreasoning hatred of second-hand sources is probably the biggest stumbling block here. One must be careful whom to trust when getting information, since some (like yourself in your example) would be obviously pushing an agenda. But others (the early Roman sources) would be pretty neutral and it's merely a question of how much THEY could be trusted to have investigated what they are reporting.

There isn't just, like, one source of a madman's scribblings. There are several sources, including authors who are known to be pretty credible historians.

As for whether or not the Jesus-never-existed theory is a fringe belief characterizable as x<1% of serious historians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
Graham N. Stanton writes, "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed and that the gospels contain plenty of valuable evidence which has to be weighed and assessed critically. There is general agreement that, with the possible exception of Paul, we know far more about Jesus of Nazareth than about any first- or second century Jewish or pagan religious teacher."

Even those who favor the theory agree that the vast majority of historians don't find the didn't-exist theory plausible. "Van Voorst is quite right in saying that 'mainstream scholarship today finds it unimportant.' Most of their comments ... are limited to expressions of contempt."

For an example of those comments that go a little deeper than mere contempt, try this:
http://www.bede.org.uk/price8.htm
Who said anything about hatred of second hand evidence, I just said it wasn't enough. 
Also
But, Doherty disagrees with the mainstream scholars on the strength of the case against the hypothesis, and comments that "contempt is not to be mistaken for refutation".He states that "interests, both religious and secular, have traditionally mounted a campaign against it,"[99] and states that mainstream scholarship is guilty of a "notable lack of proper understanding of the mythicist case,"[100] leading to "the non-professional scholar" and "well-informed amateur on the internet" becoming those whom he regards as "quite educated (meaning largely self-educated) in biblical research."[100] "There are those, scholars and laypeople alike, who regularly assume that something ‘big’ and unique, some powerful figure, had to be responsible for the Christian movement. But if one has consistently misread that movement, failed to recognize its antecedents, the steps of its development, imposed preconceptions upon it, they will be forever forced to make the same erroneous assumption, and alternatives will not commend themselves." [100]

He's right, contempt for the theory is one thing, but contempt doesn't mean they have refuted it, or that they can even prove it wrong, only that they don't like it.

Ummm ... thus my final paragraph, which links to an overview of the refutations.  Weren't you paying attention?



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Final-Fan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Not so KasZ, what you are stating is that there are many who accept the theory that he exists but theory isn't necessarily fact
Just like evolution?
Find me a credible expert who disbeleives in the evolution of man.
Then i'll believe there is a credible expert who disbelieves in the existence of jesus.
The problem is your definition of a "certantity" is untenable.
There is no reasonable reason to believe jesus did not exist.
I mean, i may as well claim there is no proof anyone exists.
Evolution is different, you can see the evidence in the fossil record, the genetics, and even some species and how they adapt

You have not shown me any bones, any records, or even first hand accounts of christ, nothing that supports his existence outside of second hand writings
Oh?  You have first hand bones of humans evolving from apes?  I thought it was called "The missing link" for a reason.
You also have genetic evidence of our relationship to apes, in addition you can see other species, like finches and insects adapting to environmental changes
[...]
How does DNA prove anything?
We share 50% of our DNA with Bannannas.
All that proves is we are more like Monkeys then we are Bannannas.
DNA is a "Second hand" source of pure conjecture and you've yet to show any first hand proof people have evolved from anything.
In fact we only have first hand proof of evolution in bacteria.  There is no first hand proof at all of anything past microscopic size evolving.
I mean... have you ever seen something written by someone who saw something evolve?
I haven't.
Pretty suspisious.
Ah but the question was whether evolution exists, as you yourself argue we've seen it first hand in bacteria, so then we can add in what you call the "second hand" stuff since there is something to support it.  We've seen things evolve at the cellular level and we've seen evidence that infers evolution at the multicellular level.

With Christ we only have the stuff that is second hand, nothing first hand to support it, plus the second hand stuff isn't as scientifiaclly rigorous as the fossil evidence and genetics in evolution

No, actually he said "the evolution of man", so bacteria aren't good enough.  Nor worms, which I can cite a document for.

 

 Wrong again, his first comment was evolution, then he asked about man, like I said, once you have the evidence for the lesser organisms, then you have some support for what you guys are referring to as "second hand" the fossil evidence and genetics



 

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Final-Fan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
Your unreasoning hatred of second-hand sources is probably the biggest stumbling block here. One must be careful whom to trust when getting information, since some (like yourself in your example) would be obviously pushing an agenda. But others (the early Roman sources) would be pretty neutral and it's merely a question of how much THEY could be trusted to have investigated what they are reporting.

There isn't just, like, one source of a madman's scribblings. There are several sources, including authors who are known to be pretty credible historians.

As for whether or not the Jesus-never-existed theory is a fringe belief characterizable as x<1% of serious historians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
Graham N. Stanton writes, "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed and that the gospels contain plenty of valuable evidence which has to be weighed and assessed critically. There is general agreement that, with the possible exception of Paul, we know far more about Jesus of Nazareth than about any first- or second century Jewish or pagan religious teacher."

Even those who favor the theory agree that the vast majority of historians don't find the didn't-exist theory plausible. "Van Voorst is quite right in saying that 'mainstream scholarship today finds it unimportant.' Most of their comments ... are limited to expressions of contempt."

For an example of those comments that go a little deeper than mere contempt, try this:
http://www.bede.org.uk/price8.htm
Who said anything about hatred of second hand evidence, I just said it wasn't enough. 
Also
But, Doherty disagrees with the mainstream scholars on the strength of the case against the hypothesis, and comments that "contempt is not to be mistaken for refutation".He states that "interests, both religious and secular, have traditionally mounted a campaign against it,"[99] and states that mainstream scholarship is guilty of a "notable lack of proper understanding of the mythicist case,"[100] leading to "the non-professional scholar" and "well-informed amateur on the internet" becoming those whom he regards as "quite educated (meaning largely self-educated) in biblical research."[100] "There are those, scholars and laypeople alike, who regularly assume that something ‘big’ and unique, some powerful figure, had to be responsible for the Christian movement. But if one has consistently misread that movement, failed to recognize its antecedents, the steps of its development, imposed preconceptions upon it, they will be forever forced to make the same erroneous assumption, and alternatives will not commend themselves." [100]

He's right, contempt for the theory is one thing, but contempt doesn't mean they have refuted it, or that they can even prove it wrong, only that they don't like it.

Ummm ... thus my final paragraph, which links to an overview of the refutations.  Weren't you paying attention?

 

 Yeah I did, and I have glanced over that site before, and I find its arguments to be as weak as yours



 

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mrstickball said:
Comrade Tovya said:
mrstickball said:

Then what of Tacitus' acount of Jesus' death by Potious Pilate? Did Tacitus lie too?

OMG, you are not really going to go here are you?

Tacitus wrote the "Annals" in 116 C.E., which was 80+ years after the supposed crucifixion.  That's not a historical account any more than if some writes about me 2 generations from now.

A historical account in this context is one that is written during the same time as an event.  (or at least very closely). 

Secondly, Tacitus was not witness to this "crucifixion" as he was not even born yet.  By the time he would have been an adult to make a logical decision as an adult on the subject, it would have be around 60 years after the event took place, and that's certainly not historically viable.

Lastly, and most importantly, it has been shown that his writing, at best, were questionable and were probably modified by the early church. 

So, the answer is, he didn't "lie", because he probably didn't write such things to begin with.

Ok. So we've thrown out:

  • First hand accounts of Jesus' death and crucifiction
  • Second hand accounts of Jesus' death and crucifuction
  • Historical accounts of Jesus'

How many more documents are skeptics going to strike? There ARE first-hand accounts. They're called the Gospels, ya know?

The argument is a very difficult one to argue, I think, on either side. Either you accept the actual first-hand accounts which are very pro to what the argument is (that a man named Jesus Christ was crucified around 33AD) and the related accounts (such as Tacitus), or you throw virtually everything out the window in favor of 'historical accuracy' yet it's an impossibility to get historical accuracy at that period. I don't believe we've ever seen manifest documents from that era concerning names & home addresses for victims of crucifictions...Did we?

Also, you argue that 'it has been shown that the documents were probably modified by the early church' - Who said that? The large body of scholars agree that the work wasn't edited, since Tacitus was rather anti-Christian in his work, and referenced the actual burden of blame that Christians did indeed burn down Rome - to agree with Nero's accusations. So then we either believe that Tacitus' had words inserted from the church - including convincing arguments against Christianity, just to further some sort of general reference to Jesus in a work that has helped build the foundations of understanding history at the turn of the common era.

 

 

First and foremost, I didn't throw the historical proofs of Jesus out of the window.  Scholars, historians, and archaeologists much smarter than I did that, and have proven without a shadow of a doubt that the accuracy of Josephus and Tacitus supposed writings were frauds.

Secondly, the "large body of scholars" (whoever that is) never said that the work wasn't edited.  The only man that I ever read about doing such Robert van Voerst (I might be spelling his name wrong) and he has long been a proponent of Christian theology, and therefore has a bias. 

Listen man, I really don't care if you want to be a Christian... that's great.  I don't concern myself with other people's religious beliefs.  I only got involved in this conversation when the subject of "Jews being responsible for Jesus' death" came up.  That's a real sore point for me, and it makes my head want to explode. 

I have no clue if Jesus ever really existed.  He may have been a nice, normal man... he could have been a violent revolutionary... he may have not really existed.  I just don't know.  The only thing I know for sure, and without a shadow of a doubt in my mind is that that man was not the son of God in the literal sense, and he wasn't ha'moshiach, nor was he actually God.  But if you want to worship a man of the flesh and be an idolater, be my guest.  If my neighbor wants to worship his german sheppard, that's his business too.  I really just don't care what they believe until they start that anti-Jewish crap... in which case I will get involved every time.  After 2000 years of "blame the Jews", I just don't have the stomach for it anymore.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
A. Evidence plz. If there are Jewish terrorists as bad as Muslim ones, how come we don't see Jewish kids on Internet videos with weapons and doing crazy propaganda like we do Palestinians?
Irony rears its head
Only if he gives me a news article about 5-year-old Jewish terrorist kids and I reject it as merely secondhand (therefore worthless) evidence.
Wrong, he gave you second hand evidence and you refused to accept it, because it wasn't enough ,same thing i'm asking of you, your so called evidence is nothing at all and when I ask for more you say it is unreasonable

Wrong -- I'm concerned about the impartiality of him and his source, and also am concerned that the passage in question is not plausible given known facts.  Unless you have similar concerns about the Roman historians and reports?



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