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Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't crucification reserved for "special" recipients? I seem to remember reading that a certain level had to be given for the effort of being crucified but maybe I'm wrong.
didnt see anyone asnwer you

you are correct
Hah. Thought so. Thanks, ssj.

Given that, why would a common rabble-rouser be crucified?
same reason as Jesus. Shake the foundations of the rulers beliefs forced upon its people.

Otherwise there is no reason and they are going against the Geneva Conventions. Bascially taking what was supposed to be used against threats against ones beliefs and making it torcher.

The only way that post makes sense is if I'm being teased.

 

It makes perfect sense if you look at the confines of what it means to do a crucifixion. The only time it was used was when someone did something horrid against the empire or shook the general order of things.

If it is not used in the way it was originally meant to it would fall into basic torcher rather than defending the beliefs of your kingdom.

The crucifixion of Christ was justifiable but if some random joe gets crucified without stirring up a load of crap like Jesus did that it is not justifiable.



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Final-Fan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
Crucifixion was FAR from the only mode of execution used by the Romans.  They actually had quite a few ways to put people to death.  Aside from crucifixion, being burned alive or being exposed to savage beasts were two "low class" methods.  At the upper end of the scale can be found decapitation, poison, and strangulation.  I bet there were others, too. source
Possibly, but you asked why Crucifixition and not something more presigious, well none of those methods seem presitigious, but crucifixtion sounds the best when you're talking about someone dying for the sins of others

Why do you say that?  Are you sure it doesn't seem that way simply because of all the stuff Christians have built up around it?  That would probably have happened with whatever way he was killed.

 

 Nah, as Crucifixtion sounds the slowest of the ones you mentioned

 

Hmm. I guess I should yell at the all the scholars' books I read when studing Old and New Testament history..Because they all said things counter to your arguments.

 

I'm also going by scholar arguments, perhaps this proves that thier is no certainty in the questions of christ, and that there is much disagreement



 

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The Arabs can go to hell, or move somewhere else.

Hail Israel.

Wow you are so old yet you say stuff like that!? It’s because of people like you the world is like this!



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ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't crucification reserved for "special" recipients? I seem to remember reading that a certain level had to be given for the effort of being crucified but maybe I'm wrong.
didnt see anyone asnwer you

you are correct
Hah. Thought so. Thanks, ssj.

Given that, why would a common rabble-rouser be crucified?
same reason as Jesus. Shake the foundations of the rulers beliefs forced upon its people.

Otherwise there is no reason and they are going against the Geneva Conventions. Bascially taking what was supposed to be used against threats against ones beliefs and making it torcher.
The only way that post makes sense is if I'm being teased.
It makes perfect sense if you look at the confines of what it means to do a crucifixion. The only time it was used was when someone did something horrid against the empire or shook the general order of things.

If it is not used in the way it was originally meant to it would fall into basic torcher rather than defending the beliefs of your kingdom.

The crucifixion of Christ was justifiable but if some random joe gets crucified without stirring up a load of crap like Jesus did that it is not justifiable.

Unless I'm much mistaken, rocketpig was REFERRING to Jesus when he mentioned "a common rabble-rouser", and the only other one mentioned in this thread is Spartacus.  So I thought you were referring to Spartacus instead of a generic person, and that would mean you saw my post which answered his after all. 

Also, your reference to the Geneva Conventions which date to 1864. 

I also believe that rocketpig was implying with his question that a common rabble-rouser would NOT normally be crucified, which is contrary to what both you and I are now saying.  rocketpig, please correct me if this is wrong.



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I'm going to sleep now. Avinash_Tyagi, I leave you with this reiteration of an earlier point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:

What exactly is your alternate theory here? How did his existence get manufactured in such a brief time? Why didn't anyone say anything like "wait a second that never happened, there was no such Jesus"?

To say simply that we aren't OMG 100% ABSOLUTELY sure of the "Jesus was real" view isn't good enough. There has to be a "Jesus wasn't real" view that at least makes some sense. What is it?



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Final-Fan said:
I'm going to sleep now. Avinash_Tyagi, I leave you with this reiteration of an earlier point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:

What exactly is your alternate theory here? How did his existence get manufactured in such a brief time? Why didn't anyone say anything like "wait a second that never happened, there was no such Jesus"?

To say simply that we aren't OMG 100% ABSOLUTELY sure of the "Jesus was real" view isn't good enough. There has to be a "Jesus wasn't real" view that at least makes some sense. What is it?

 

 I already answered that question, one prevailing theory is that Jesus is actually an Amalgamation story, drawn from Mithras, Horus, Prometheus and other saviors



 

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The world is like a book or a movie well it is a story about good and evil. Just like the book or movie exists it has something to tell you in one way or another. This is also why our world exists. There is good and there is evil and most of the time evil is the one with the most power and it has many forms of tools to start things up.

Let’s take Hamas they attack Israeli territory’s which gives them the reason to strike back. The same goes to Nasr Allah, they attacked Israel just so they cold get them in and bomb Lebanon. I mean how stupid are these guys knowing they have no chance against them with their fucked up weapons? They are not stupid they are all working together. There is always someone in a grope that is a traitor. Now I do get Nasr Allah because they are Shea and they want the Sunni out. But the real traitors are Hamas together with some other “Islamic” groups. These are terrorists ruining what Islam is about which is peas and respect to others and only fight when you need to protect you’re country, religion or yourself!

Do not believe the media think for yourself that is why god gave you a brain! They will never give you what is really happening!

The world is full of idiots, people who are afraid of what they do not know or just evil!



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
I'm going to sleep now. Avinash_Tyagi, I leave you with this reiteration of an earlier point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:

What exactly is your alternate theory here? How did his existence get manufactured in such a brief time? Why didn't anyone say anything like "wait a second that never happened, there was no such Jesus"?

To say simply that we aren't OMG 100% ABSOLUTELY sure of the "Jesus was real" view isn't good enough. There has to be a "Jesus wasn't real" view that at least makes some sense. What is it?

 

 I already answered that question, one prevailing theory is that Jesus is actually an Amalgamation story, drawn from Mithras, Horus, Prometheus and other saviors

Where did you get that theory? Jesus did walk this earth if you believe he is the savior or not. This is proven fact. Now what makes Jesus unique from myths is the time period the Christians sprung up and that there were people in power actively seeking to destroy this group due to the heralding of a new "king" (Jesus). The rulers at the time were so concerned regarding the truth of this "movement" that they put most of the early Christians to death.

You may want to argue that early Christians were crazy or dillusional, but the early followers were actually a diverse group composed of all different walks of life including doctors and people who once had killed other Christians and then heard the story of Jesus and changed their ways.

Personally I wouldn't allow myself to be crucified upside down, tortured, or dejected by society for a story I knew to be false.

 



midwinter said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
I'm going to sleep now. Avinash_Tyagi, I leave you with this reiteration of an earlier point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:

What exactly is your alternate theory here? How did his existence get manufactured in such a brief time? Why didn't anyone say anything like "wait a second that never happened, there was no such Jesus"?

To say simply that we aren't OMG 100% ABSOLUTELY sure of the "Jesus was real" view isn't good enough. There has to be a "Jesus wasn't real" view that at least makes some sense. What is it?

 

 I already answered that question, one prevailing theory is that Jesus is actually an Amalgamation story, drawn from Mithras, Horus, Prometheus and other saviors

Where did you get that theory? Jesus did walk this earth if you believe he is the savior or not. This is proven fact. Now what makes Jesus unique from myths is the time period the Christians sprung up and that there were people in power actively seeking to destroy this group due to the heralding of a new "king" (Jesus). The rulers at the time were so concerned regarding the truth of this "movement" that they put most of the early Christians to death.

You may want to argue that early Christians were crazy or dillusional, but the early followers were actually a diverse group composed of all different walks of life including doctors and people who once had killed other Christians and then heard the story of Jesus and changed their ways.

Personally I wouldn't allow myself to be crucified upside down, tortured, or dejected by society for a story I knew to be false.

 

 

 Nope sorry its not a proven fact, in fact its not even very substantiated, its only theorized that he existed, don't agree well then show me the proof, as i've said, show me some actual records, like a certificate of death, or his bones and tomb



 

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I actually have a friend who is Palestinian (I'll refrain from name because her last name is infamous due to her terrorist relatives).

Anyway, the first time she ever visited the Palestinian Autonomous Zones, she was actually pretty shocked.

Bear in mind that she was raised in America (and is by no means a devout Muslim), has tattoos and multiple body piercings, etc.

When she first got to the Israeli border security post, the soldiers checked her passport out and saw her last name, and they were like, "wow, your family is famous!"

She had no idea back then what they were talking about.

Anyway, she drove to her grandfather's house (whom she had never met prior to this time) and they had a family reunion of sorts. All of her cousins, aunts, and uncles were there.

She told me that one of her little 8-year old cousins was walking around the house with an AK-47 talking about being a martyr. She was of course shocked, being that over here in the States, that would be considered child endangerment amongst other things.

One of her other cousins took her into a back room, and showed her a closet that was jam packed with rocket propelled grenades, assault rifles, and other weapons.

She said that she'd heard that kids over there started learning the ways of violence very young, but that she had no idea how serious that accusation was until she saw it with her own eyes.

Long story short, she told me that it was her first and final visit, and that she would never go back, because it was just too frightening.

Since that time, one of her terrorist uncles were killed in combat against Israeli soldiers (he was in the ministry of education for the Palestinians, so that should tell you where the kids over there get it from) and the other was arrested (he was a general who has made the news more than once for authorizing terrorist attacks on Jewish children, and has since been arrested for such).

It's a crazy place for a kid to grow up because they are brainwashed from an early age to kill. Change doesn't begin with the adults, it begins with the youth... the children. You have to instill the importance of the value of life into their kids, or all of the peace summits in the world won't do a bit of good.

And public crucifixions will do nothing but further erode the innocence of their children.



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