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Kasz216 on 20 December 2008
flagship said:
So the next Sony product I buy won't be a cheap over priced peace of crap? After having 2 Trinitron monitors, a TV, CD player, multiple headphones and computer from Sony that all died well before time I've never placed much faith in Sony definition of Quality.

Yeah, the PS3 is actually the first piece of hardware i've heard about from Sony that i'd trust.

Sony makes a lot of high end, low reliability stuff.  Hey he's only the videogames guy though so you can only really hold the PS1, PS2 and the PSP against him... and even the PSP wasn't that bad.... just a lot of dead pixel problems.

 



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mrstickball on 20 December 2008
Kasz216 said:
This just in... the PS1 and PS2 didn't grow the industry.

PS1 certainly did.

The 16 bit era saw SNES sales of just under 50 million units, and the Genny at 30 million. Lesser systems may have sold for a combine 10 million units.

The Playstation alone outsold the previous gen...Combined. Is that not industry growth?

 



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Kasz216 on 20 December 2008
mrstickball said:
Kasz216 said:
This just in... the PS1 and PS2 didn't grow the industry.

PS1 certainly did.

The 16 bit era saw SNES sales of just under 50 million units, and the Genny at 30 million. Lesser systems may have sold for a combine 10 million units.

The Playstation alone outsold the previous gen...Combined. Is that not industry growth?

 

That was the joke.

The guy said shoddy machines don't grow the industry.

The PS1 and PS2 were shoddy pieces of hardware that broke down fairly eaisly.

They both greatly expanded the industry.

By his own logic they somehow didn't expand the industry.



TWRoO on 20 December 2008
Jo21 said:
TheTruthHurts! said:
I really like Nintendo's approach this Gen, (keep our mouths shut and let sales do the talking). I get really tired of all the MS/Sony back and forth............

 

it's not like nintendo was nice before, they were worse than sony and microsoft in the nintendo/snes times.

zleep said:
@marty8370: PS1 and PS2 were the least reliable amongst all the consoles in their respective gens.

^^

if you forget the existence of the xbox, thats burned houses, killed a baby with it fire starter power supply :/

While I don't wish to give praise to the horrid console design that was the Xbox, I believe there were only about 5 cases of the power cord sparking... so while it is the most dangerous of the 3 consoles, it is still more reliable than the PS2.

 



Jo21 on 20 December 2008

http://www.gamegrep.com/news/7439-new_reports_on_the_3_console_failure_rates/

i found it, falcon 16% it was 33% before for the 360.
but some places say as high as 68%

TWRoO

m$ was fast to get a fix they replaced the power cable to many xbox users , so it doesnt ignite a fire, thats prevent it from burning, but never fixed the power supply from burning.

 

if it's true only 5 cases of fire, happen it was  a design problem on the supply.

and the 360 also suffers from "its not reading disc problems", the wii had it share of problems of that too with brawl.



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mrstickball on 20 December 2008

Yes! Lets take a sample size of a few hundred systems and base everything off of it! Brilliant!

How about the NeoGAF post with aggregated data that has far more systems (1,330+) that disputes that claim?



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izaaz101 on 20 December 2008
leo-j said:
@DirtyP2002

Because they are reliable?

Tell that to this kid!

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/sony-psp-sends-kid-to-hospital-with-leg-burns-thatll-teach-h/



Grahamhsu on 20 December 2008
Jo21 said:

http://www.gamegrep.com/news/7439-new_reports_on_the_3_console_failure_rates/

i found it, falcon 16% it was 33% before for the 360.
but some places say as high as 68%

TWRoO

m$ was fast to get a fix they replaced the power cable to many xbox users , so it doesnt ignite a fire, thats prevent it from burning, but never fixed the power supply from burning.

 

if it's true only 5 cases of fire, happen it was  a design problem on the supply.

and the 360 also suffers from "its not reading disc problems", the wii had it share of problems of that too with brawl.

Also Falcon isn't the last model we have yet to see what Jasper can do and Falcon actually only featured a 65nm CPU chip, the GPU was shrunk to the same size when Jasper was created. There were also 2 types of Falcon, the problem of RROD is partially because of clutter in a specific area. The 2nd revision of Falcon simply moved the RAM around.

 




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Jo21 on 20 December 2008
Grahamhsu said:
Jo21 said:

http://www.gamegrep.com/news/7439-new_reports_on_the_3_console_failure_rates/

i found it, falcon 16% it was 33% before for the 360.
but some places say as high as 68%

TWRoO

m$ was fast to get a fix they replaced the power cable to many xbox users , so it doesnt ignite a fire, thats prevent it from burning, but never fixed the power supply from burning.

 

if it's true only 5 cases of fire, happen it was  a design problem on the supply.

and the 360 also suffers from "its not reading disc problems", the wii had it share of problems of that too with brawl.

Also Falcon isn't the last model we have yet to see what Jasper can do and Falcon actually only featured a 65nm CPU chip, the GPU was shrunk to the same size when Jasper was created. There were also 2 types of Falcon, the problem of RROD is partially because of clutter in a specific area. The 2nd revision of Falcon simply moved the RAM around.

 

in other worlds jasper may still get rrod, disc scratches and not being able to read disc, etc etc etc?

because i was planning on getting an arcade to play star ocean 4 and here in all stores they just give 3 months of warranty .

 



Dianko on 20 December 2008
The Anarchyz said:
DirtyP2002 said:
another reason for not buying any sony products ever again.

 

Yeah, because Sony's failure rate on electronics is soo high that passes the failure rate of the Xbox, Xbox 360, Windows Vista, Windows XP Normal & SP1, Windows 2000 Normal Windows ME, Windows 98 Normal, Windows 95 Normal & A, Internet Explorer 3 & UP, Zune, etc...

Do i have to bring the "hypnotized by Microsoft" argument again???

 

I forgot, Sony doesn't ever have failures in their systems. No sir, those PS1's and PS2's in their early years were nothing short of the finest engineering the game industry has ever seen.

And it's not like Sony's been dogged the last couple years by having to recall hundreds of thousands (if not over a million by now) of fun little explosive fire catching lap top batteries. Oh wait....

Lesson learned: Everyone fucks up and don't be a hypocrite Reeves.