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wow Im pretty shocked at how many people don't believe that global warming is real. I dont know anyone in person (that i know of) who who thinks its fictional.



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Symptoms do not tell the reason. Yes, glaciers are melting... The important question is why are they melting?

Without that information, actively pursuing a solution is rather pointless and could end up ruining economies unnecessarily.

With that said, I think the latest oil crisis was a good thing for a multitude of reasons. Scaring people into aggressively researching alternative energies, reducing dependance on foreign oil, forcing people to become more energy efficient, all good things in the long run.




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craighopkins said:
most of Canadas Glaciers have melted in the last 5 years

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With information as "informed" as this who would ever doubt it?

A large portion of Canadian glaciers get "filled" and melt yearly ... if it wasn't for glaciers melting cities like Calgary wouldn't have a water supply.

 



Thatmax said:
wow Im pretty shocked at how many people don't believe that global warming is real. I dont know anyone in person (that i know of) who who thinks its fictional.

I think most of us believe it is happening in some form... it's more of a question of what is causing it and whether this is manmade, a longterm cycle, or a brief hiccup in Earth's natural cycle.

 




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HappySqurriel said:
craighopkins said:
most of Canadas Glaciers have melted in the last 5 years

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With information as "informed" as this who would ever doubt it?

A large portion of Canadian glaciers get "filled" and melt yearly ... if it wasn't for glaciers melting cities like Calgary wouldn't have a water supply.

 

 

 Im just saying that the ice is melting more rapidly

The canadian Ice shelves shrinked 25 percent in the summer of 2008

The entire Markham ice shelf broke away in early August and is now adrift in the Arctic Ocean



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craighopkins said:
HappySqurriel said:
craighopkins said:
most of Canadas Glaciers have melted in the last 5 years

...

With information as "informed" as this who would ever doubt it?

A large portion of Canadian glaciers get "filled" and melt yearly ... if it wasn't for glaciers melting cities like Calgary wouldn't have a water supply.

 

 

Im just saying that the ice is melting more rapidly

The canadian Ice shelves shrinked 25 percent in the summer of 2008

The entire Markham ice shelf broke away in early August and is now adrift in the Arctic Ocean

 

The ice shelf actually melted less in 2008 then it did in 2007, which conflicted with the "wisdom" of the media and their experts who claimed that it would (entirely) melt in 2008 ... Beyond that, ice shelfs break away, that is how we get icebergs.



 You cant underscore the rapidity of changes taking place in the Arctic



Neither. I suspect that there is a grain of truth, but its mostly to control people. Read up on the history of the church and others in power insisting the world is flat and the power to control they got from it and the ramifications if they were proven wrong. Now compare and contrast it to what you see today with global warming and scientists who have dissenting opinions being shut down and discredited and people refusing to publish their findings.



HappySqurriel said:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.   

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” -  Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology  and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”  

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.  

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.  

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico  

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA. 

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.  

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.  

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.  

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata

Fantastic. This is what I mean by dissenting opinions on global warming. Absoulty fantastic find, happysqurriel.

 



SamuelRSmith said:
Thatmax said:
fact, I cant be bothered to debate so Im just gonna put my opinion. What would the media have to gain from global warming?

 

 Well, not from global warming itself, but the media gains a lot from scaremongering, people are much more likely to buy a newspaper if it's headline involves them dieing the next day.

 

Anyways, I don't really know, and neither does anyone else on this forum. They like to think that they know, but instead, they just side with the politicians that they agree with.

 

What did the media have to gain from the bird flu scare? (which is as big of a threat now then it has ever been, but people think its gone becuase the media isn't covering it anymore). Scientists get funding, media gets money, politicans get power and can get stupid shit passed by caliming its to "fight global warming" (while many scients have stated that we are trending towards and ice age, and that even now the earth warming a few degrees would increase human prosperity overall)