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mrstickball said:
megaman2 said:

You're such a child if we were to compare graphical powerhouses of the ps3. Games such as Uncharted, Metal gear solid 4 and games such as Killzone 2 which critics have cites as the best looking console game ever, along with gt5, infamous, heavy rain and God of war 3 all set to take huge leaps in terms of graphics. My thread's purpose was to have a general discussion not  create flamebait but you're too inmature to understand so let's leave at that!

 

Pot calling the kettle black. You aren't a X360 owner, so you wouldn't know what X360 are upcoming that are going to be 'the best looking console game ever'.

BTW:

From IGN (Gears of War 2):

9.5 Graphics
Fantastic looking characters inhabit splendid worlds that feel truly alive. You'd be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere.

See what I can do?

 

10 Presentation
A story worthy of a feature length film, with action that keeps you engaged from the second you hit the start button 'til the final credits roll.
10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made.
10 Sound
Haunting melodies, the re-introduction of classic themes via iPod, and perfect line delivery by actors -- this is an aural delight from start to finish.
10 Gameplay
Not only does MGS4 include new gameplay mechanics, it shatters the mold of what's expected from the series. Stealth, action, or balanced play: the choice is yours in how you explore this MGS world.
10 Lasting Appeal
There are dozens of secrets and Easter Eggs, along with tons of ways to approach any combat situation. Plus, when you're done with the single player, MGO will keep you engaged for weeks on end.
10
Masterful

OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)

 

from IGN (mgs4)

Only possible on the ps3, im one step ahead of you Mrstickball

 



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Retrasado said:

You are correct that neither system is very close to being maxed out, but I personally think that because the PS3 has more than kept pace with the 360 graphically despite launching a year later and having a much, MUCH more difficult programming architecture, it's peak will be higher than the 360s. It's more complex hardware also means it will reach 90-95% capacity much later in its lifetime than the 360 has/will (I don't think 360 has reached that point yet, but its possible). When I look at the jump from R1 to Uncharted to MGS4 to KZ2 and now to Uncharted 2 vs the jump from CoD2 to Gears 1 to Gears 2 to SO4, it seems to me that the PS3 still has a ways to go wheras the 360 is beginning to reach or has reached the "plateau" of 90-95% capacity.  (the jump between the game generations hasn't lessened as much with the PS3 list has it has toward the end of the 360's list)

Note: My reasoning could be off somewhere, but I'm just throwing this off the top of my head

 

Very reasonable post, but I disagree with a few parts of it.

I agree that the Playstation 3's peak may be farther off, due to more difficult archatecture. But at the same time, I think that having the easier archatecture may lead to better looking games on the X360 in certain ways, to counteract the 'arms race', if you will.

Since the Playstation 3 is harder to develop for, one would think that (and based on what we've seen, it's true) that a good 'AAA' game on the PS3 (ala MGS4) costs more, and takes more time to make...But is certainly gorgeous.

However, on the X360, it takes far less time, and cash, from what we've seen. Because of this, it may be an issue that PS3 games are getting bigger budgets versus X360 games. A good example would be MGS4 vs. Gears 2. MGS4, for all intents & purposes was made for an extra 1-2 years and for an extra $20-30 million dollars....Both were exclusives to their respective consoles.

Now, my argument is: What if the Xbox 360 had the same development cycle & budget? What would we see? I think that's a fair question to ask, is it not? People argue that KZ2 and GT5 are going to be the new standards for graphics whores, which may be true...But are they on the same level as X360 games, when they take an extra year or two of development time & budgeting?

To my knowledge, no X360 game's budget has gone over $30m to develop (Halo 3), and most are still within $15-20m. However, MGS4 and KZ2 are well above Halo 3's budget, and are taking a lot longer to develop...How are we supposed to compare? Yes, I agree the PS3 has more horsepower - I don't think anyone can argue that, but at the same time...The playing fields aren't very even, it seems, either.

And it brings up another point: With the Playstation 3 continuing to fall behind the X360 in terms of global install base...Will we continue to see big studios churn out massive blockbusters utilized for the PS3 archatecture? One of the reasons the PS2 saw such goregeous graphics like God of War 2, was that it was a viable platform that late into it's development cycle...Will that be the case for the PS3?

For all intents & purposes, we could even see the inverse happening of what gets claimed a lot: If the X360 continues to increase it's margin against the PS3, we could see more 'uber blockbusters' go to the X360, and get greenlit for massive budgets rivaling KZ2 and the like...If that was the case...Don't you think that such a game on the X360 would look phenominal? What if, after the current argued games (KZ2, GT5, ect) Sony fails to secure any more mega-budget games while the X360 does? What becomes of the argument then?

Economics do play a significant part of this discussion. The Xbox had the best horsepower of all 3 last-gen systems, yet very few will argue that, in the end, it had the best looking game of last-gen systems (PS2 did)..Merely because the budgets & dev time was viable to do something spectacular, no?



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crumas2 said:
Garnett said:
DMeisterJ said:

I thought the argument's (in favor of 360 devleopment) always been that the 360 is tons easier to develop on since it has a PC-like Architechture, unlike the PS2 and PS3 which are foreign. So theoretically, wouldn't it take a shorter amount of time to max out a 360 rather than the PS2/3?

I don't think it's peaked yet, but I'd probably say Gears 2 will still be in the top 5 looking 360 games when all is said and done.

Negative DM,Thats for the CPU,Its easer to program the CPU for...

 

Something people need to keep in mind is that a console is not a single execution unit or even a single subsystem... it consists of a combination of CPU/cores, GPU/video support chips, bus support chips, scalers, blitters, etc., etc.  Taken together as contributing to a complex system overall, it's very difficult to say that a particular platform has been mostly tapped out.  Those components can often be used together in novel and new ways that simply having a good dev kit doesn't account for.

 

crumas2 has made an excellent point here.

Saying that a system has "maxed out" is not really apprpriate (even though I suggested the same about the X360 earlier in this thread).  Game development is incredibly complex -- that's the beauty of flexible computer architectures, after all -- there are always new, cool, different ways to do stuff.

The X360 has been out longer than the PS3, and its easier for devs to grasp the fundamentals of, yes.  That kinda implies that the titles we've seen on it are "closer" to what users might percieve as the "best looking" games on the system 5-10 years from now (than the PS3), but saying the X360 is "maxed" is just plain silly.  Every good looking game you can point out is merely one mountain peak in an entire mountain range of game styles, techniques, etc.  

Both systems have a lot of room for improvement, I'm sure.

 



megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:

Pot calling the kettle black. You aren't a X360 owner, so you wouldn't know what X360 are upcoming that are going to be 'the best looking console game ever'.

BTW:

From IGN (Gears of War 2):

9.5 Graphics
Fantastic looking characters inhabit splendid worlds that feel truly alive. You'd be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere.

See what I can do?

 

10 Presentation
A story worthy of a feature length film, with action that keeps you engaged from the second you hit the start button 'til the final credits roll.
10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made.
10 Sound
Haunting melodies, the re-introduction of classic themes via iPod, and perfect line delivery by actors -- this is an aural delight from start to finish.
10 Gameplay
Not only does MGS4 include new gameplay mechanics, it shatters the mold of what's expected from the series. Stealth, action, or balanced play: the choice is yours in how you explore this MGS world.
10 Lasting Appeal
There are dozens of secrets and Easter Eggs, along with tons of ways to approach any combat situation. Plus, when you're done with the single player, MGO will keep you engaged for weeks on end.
10
Masterful

OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)

 

from IGN (mgs4)

Only possible on the ps3, im one step ahead of you Mrstickball

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 was made before Gears of War 2 was. Therefore, IGN already knew what MGS4 had (graphically) and still claimed Gears 2 looked better.

 



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mrstickball said:
megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:

Pot calling the kettle black. You aren't a X360 owner, so you wouldn't know what X360 are upcoming that are going to be 'the best looking console game ever'.

BTW:

From IGN (Gears of War 2):

9.5 Graphics
Fantastic looking characters inhabit splendid worlds that feel truly alive. You'd be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere.

See what I can do?

 

10 Presentation
A story worthy of a feature length film, with action that keeps you engaged from the second you hit the start button 'til the final credits roll.
10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made.
10 Sound
Haunting melodies, the re-introduction of classic themes via iPod, and perfect line delivery by actors -- this is an aural delight from start to finish.
10 Gameplay
Not only does MGS4 include new gameplay mechanics, it shatters the mold of what's expected from the series. Stealth, action, or balanced play: the choice is yours in how you explore this MGS world.
10 Lasting Appeal
There are dozens of secrets and Easter Eggs, along with tons of ways to approach any combat situation. Plus, when you're done with the single player, MGO will keep you engaged for weeks on end.
10
Masterful

OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)

 

from IGN (mgs4)

Only possible on the ps3, im one step ahead of you Mrstickball

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 was made before Gears of War 2 was. Therefore, IGN already knew what MGS4 had (graphically) and still claimed Gears 2 looked better.

 

If that is the case would it not be rated higher than 9.5, as mgs4 got a 10 meaning Mgs4 graphically better. It won after all best graphics at vga.

 



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SHMUPGurus said:
Ender said:
TKC-Muzzer said:
There is no Fanboy needs here people. As i said i have a 360 but admit that nothing on it competes with Killzone 2 graphically. It's something i except and others should to, it's good that there are games producing this sort of quality no matter what system their on.

I agree, in the screens I've seen KZ2 look better. But you know what?   It's not surprising a game released (hopefully) 4 mos later will be superior looking.   I think it's funny a game that hasn't even been release yet is being usedas an example.  Why not use R2?

Damn, if only everyone could see the light like you. :(

 

What light?  Is that the point, to have someone say an unreleased PS3 title will look better than a released 360 title?  I'm sure there will be a 360 game that will look better than KZ2.



Ender said:
SHMUPGurus said:
Ender said:
TKC-Muzzer said:
There is no Fanboy needs here people. As i said i have a 360 but admit that nothing on it competes with Killzone 2 graphically. It's something i except and others should to, it's good that there are games producing this sort of quality no matter what system their on.

I agree, in the screens I've seen KZ2 look better. But you know what?   It's not surprising a game released (hopefully) 4 mos later will be superior looking.   I think it's funny a game that hasn't even been release yet is being usedas an example.  Why not use R2?

Damn, if only everyone could see the light like you. :(

 

What light?  Is that the point, to have someone say an unreleased PS3 title will look better than a released 360 title?  I'm sure there will be a 360 game that will look better than KZ2.

I meant you were right. o.O



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Why is Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 getting so much hate? We finally get a real game and they're not even satisfied... I'm starting to hate the gaming community so f****** much...

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megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:
megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:

Pot calling the kettle black. You aren't a X360 owner, so you wouldn't know what X360 are upcoming that are going to be 'the best looking console game ever'.

BTW:

From IGN (Gears of War 2):

9.5 Graphics
Fantastic looking characters inhabit splendid worlds that feel truly alive. You'd be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere.

See what I can do?

 

10 Presentation
A story worthy of a feature length film, with action that keeps you engaged from the second you hit the start button 'til the final credits roll.
10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made.
10 Sound
Haunting melodies, the re-introduction of classic themes via iPod, and perfect line delivery by actors -- this is an aural delight from start to finish.
10 Gameplay
Not only does MGS4 include new gameplay mechanics, it shatters the mold of what's expected from the series. Stealth, action, or balanced play: the choice is yours in how you explore this MGS world.
10 Lasting Appeal
There are dozens of secrets and Easter Eggs, along with tons of ways to approach any combat situation. Plus, when you're done with the single player, MGO will keep you engaged for weeks on end.
10
Masterful

OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)

 

from IGN (mgs4)

Only possible on the ps3, im one step ahead of you Mrstickball

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 was made before Gears of War 2 was. Therefore, IGN already knew what MGS4 had (graphically) and still claimed Gears 2 looked better.

 

If that is the case would it not be rated higher than 9.5, as mgs4 got a 10 meaning Mgs4 graphically better.

 

 

This is a BS argument and you know it.  You are a troll.



Ender said:
megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:
megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:

Pot calling the kettle black. You aren't a X360 owner, so you wouldn't know what X360 are upcoming that are going to be 'the best looking console game ever'.

BTW:

From IGN (Gears of War 2):

9.5 Graphics
Fantastic looking characters inhabit splendid worlds that feel truly alive. You'd be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere.

See what I can do?

 

10 Presentation
A story worthy of a feature length film, with action that keeps you engaged from the second you hit the start button 'til the final credits roll.
10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made.
10 Sound
Haunting melodies, the re-introduction of classic themes via iPod, and perfect line delivery by actors -- this is an aural delight from start to finish.
10 Gameplay
Not only does MGS4 include new gameplay mechanics, it shatters the mold of what's expected from the series. Stealth, action, or balanced play: the choice is yours in how you explore this MGS world.
10 Lasting Appeal
There are dozens of secrets and Easter Eggs, along with tons of ways to approach any combat situation. Plus, when you're done with the single player, MGO will keep you engaged for weeks on end.
10
Masterful

OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)

 

from IGN (mgs4)

Only possible on the ps3, im one step ahead of you Mrstickball

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 was made before Gears of War 2 was. Therefore, IGN already knew what MGS4 had (graphically) and still claimed Gears 2 looked better.

 

If that is the case would it not be rated higher than 9.5, as mgs4 got a 10 meaning Mgs4 graphically better.

 

 

This is a BS argument and you know it.  You are a troll.

I swear you make me laugh im having a discussion with mrstickball if you wish to participate then please do no need for such a comment very inmature, but you do make me laugh.

 



You're laughing because you are trolling the MS forum.