psychoBrew said:
It's like they got scared of Microsoft and started focusing on the Xbox 360 instead of the PS1 and 2 fan base. That, and as already stated, Blue Ray was a mistake for the console (though great for the format). |
howso?
psychoBrew said:
It's like they got scared of Microsoft and started focusing on the Xbox 360 instead of the PS1 and 2 fan base. That, and as already stated, Blue Ray was a mistake for the console (though great for the format). |
howso?
Jordahn said: First of all, let's just make it clear that the PS3 is selling well. I'm sure not as well as SONY would have hoped, and it's still in third. But the important factor here is that consumers still want the PS3 with demand and sales increasing. |
You're a genius. Greatest post of the day.
It's all about the game.
~flame said: the economy is in the crapper. |
Not if you work for Nintendo though.
Currently playing on PS3: God of War III
Currently playing on Xbox360: Final Fantasy XIII
Currently playing on NDS: Chrono Trigger
Bboid said:
howso? |
Blue Ray has a very limited fan base, caused delays, slowed down loading times, and greatly increased the cost of the PS3. While Blue Ray on the PS3 was great for the movie format war, people that didn't care about HD movies would rather save money and buy the cheaper 360. Blue Ray is an added expense with a limmited apeal and some negative aspects. If everybody wanted a Blue Ray player, the story would have been different.
psychoBrew said:
Blue Ray has a very limited fan base, caused delays, slowed down loading times, and greatly increased the cost of the PS3. While Blue Ray on the PS3 was great for the movie format war, people that didn't care about HD movies would rather save money and buy the cheaper 360. Blue Ray is an added expense with a limmited apeal and some negative aspects. If everybody wanted a Blue Ray player, the story would have been different.
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you should really look into the actual cost of the blu ray diode in the ps3 before you cite cost. Part of the purpose of blu ray is for storage space to prevent multiple disc releases as they saw it as potentially problematic. And slow load times? Not any slower than disc read times on my 360. Your entire reasoning is both opinion and BS.
dolemit3 said:
Not if you work for Nintendo though.
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the topic is about the PS3 though...$400 is a hefty price right now for a video gam system.
I dont want to be fanboy anymore...Why? it takes to much work but i will call on ppl on there B.S!!!:)
Bboid said:
you should really look into the actual cost of the blu ray diode in the ps3 before you cite cost. Part of the purpose of blu ray is for storage space to prevent multiple disc releases as they saw it as potentially problematic. And slow load times? Not any slower than disc read times on my 360. Your entire reasoning is both opinion and BS. |
Blue Ray has certainly come down in price, but it's still pricey and was a significant factor in the PS3's high intorductory price. As of April this year, a Blue Ray player cost Microsoft about $100 where a DVD drive costs $20. While the costs for Sony could be cheaper, divisions in large companies rarely give eachother price breaks (each division has goals to meet, and having worked at a few fortune 500 and fortune 100 companies, I know it's often cheaper to work with a third party than it is to work with other groups in the same company). I don't think the actual cost for Blue Ray for the division that produces the Play Station would be much cheaper than what Microsft has to pay. Blue Ray is still a factor.
You're right that I don't know exactly what the load times on the PS3 or 360 are. I'm repeating information heard in this forum about installs on the PS3 being required due to the slow speed of Blue Ray where installs are not required on the Xbox. I do think that Blue Ray will be much more practical on the next set of consoles.
~flame said:
the topic is about the PS3 though...$400 is a hefty price right now for a video gam system. |
I think his point is the industry just had a HUGE month and Sony was left behind. So the economy argument is a little hollow.
It is 200 vs 400.
if you want to talk semantics about how the 60 gig 360 sells more than the core, than I can throw the fact that there is still the $500 PS3.
so $500 for a PS3 this holiday, that is $100 less than the launch price.
This is the reason. Price. It is not complicated.
psychoBrew said:
Blue Ray has certainly come down in price, but it's still pricey and was a significant factor in the PS3's high intorductory price. As of April this year, a Blue Ray player cost Microsoft about $100 where a DVD drive costs $20. While the costs for Sony could be cheaper, divisions in large companies rarely give eachother price breaks (each division has goals to meet, and having worked at a few fortune 500 and fortune 100 companies, I know it's often cheaper to work with a third party than it is to work with other groups in the same company). I don't think the actual cost for Blue Ray for the division that produces the Play Station would be much cheaper than what Microsft has to pay. Blue Ray is still a factor. You're right that I don't know exactly what the load times on the PS3 or 360 are. I'm repeating information heard in this forum about installs on the PS3 being required due to the slow speed of Blue Ray where installs are not required on the Xbox. I do think that Blue Ray will be much more practical on the next set of consoles.
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Again you are lost for actual information. At launch the Blu-ray drive in the ps3 cost $125 mostly due to the fact that Blu-ray diodes were scarce and roughly $50 alone. Today the diodes cost $6 and the total drive cost is around $45(and has been since about May 08). So for $25 more than the 360's optical drive you have a format that prevent's multiple disc releases (main intention) and the ability to deliver HD material to HDTV owners (beneficial secondary intention). Cost benefit wise to both consumer and manufacturer, it is not a bad choice for the console. A larger source of cost to the PS3 unit that doesn't exist in Xbox 360 production is bluetooth and other features that are not included in the Xbox 360 unit. This acounts for over 50% of the current production difference between the 2 units and is the main reason for a higher price. Both the PS3 and 360 are breaking even per unit sale.
So if you remove Blu-ray from the PS3 unit, you still have a unit that is at least $75 more than the 360 to produce. Due to Sony's current financial situation they will not sell products at a high loss any further, so you still have a unit at retail that costs at least $75 more as well and you will lose the sales to individuals who bought a unit solely for blu-ray or because they saw a higher perceived value because of blu-ray. Sales would remain low due to price since the competition is still largely cheaper in the current market.