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Kasz216 on 23 November 2008
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.



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dougsdad0629 on 23 November 2008
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.



Keep this in mind when reading what I type...

I've been gaming longer than many of you have been alive.

Kasz216 on 23 November 2008
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.


That's because i've posted the numbers like a thousand times in these blu-ray threads... and i really don't feel like digging up on the sales numbers yet again BR disc sales < DVD disc sales during the same time period, despite expanded audience has been the case since launch... and it ain't getting prettier.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales112108.htm

is a good start though.  Even Sony isn't optimistic.

 

 



JaggedSac on 23 November 2008

We can all agree that with all of the competing formats, the consumer wins. I for one will be streaming HD content from Netflix on the 360 and watching Blu-Rays on a blu-ray player. Convenience(streaming) melded with superior image and sound(blu-ray) means that I am good to go in any given situation.



dougsdad0629 on 23 November 2008
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.


That's because i've posted the numbers like a thousand times in these blu-ray threads.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales112108.htm

is a good start though.  Even Sony isn't optimistic.

 

Ok, let's simplify the discussion a bit.  Why do you feel that "1st to a million" isn't one of the valid criteria by which to judge BD's success?

 



Keep this in mind when reading what I type...

I've been gaming longer than many of you have been alive.

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dougsdad0629 on 23 November 2008

Kasz216: From your article. "It's not that far off of it," Glasgow said. "Maybe 10 percent off of what we had thought. It's truly one of the items that has performed well during this economic mess."

Only 10% off target during tough economic times is pretty damn good.



Keep this in mind when reading what I type...

I've been gaming longer than many of you have been alive.

Kasz216 on 23 November 2008
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.


That's because i've posted the numbers like a thousand times in these blu-ray threads.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales112108.htm

is a good start though.  Even Sony isn't optimistic.

 

Ok, let's simplify the discussion a bit.  Why do you feel that "1st to a million" isn't one of the valid criteria by which to judge BD's success?

 

1) It's way behind in total disc sales.  Which is better, a format that has one movie get to 1 million, with a total of 15 million in sales?  Or a format with no one at 1 million that has a total of 30 million in sales?

2) The home movie market has grown something like at least 5% per year DVD has been on the market in the US alone.  It's been on the market over 10 years.  Not to mention the growth has been exponentially larger in other areas of the world.

Do you realize how much bigger that makes the market?  It's like saying I'm better the JD rockfeller because I made it to 1,000 dollars faster then he did.  There is no account for the vast inflation in the market.

1 Million in sales is probably something less then 500,000 sales for DVD if you made a conversion method.

 



dougsdad0629 on 23 November 2008
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.


That's because i've posted the numbers like a thousand times in these blu-ray threads.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales112108.htm

is a good start though.  Even Sony isn't optimistic.

 

Ok, let's simplify the discussion a bit.  Why do you feel that "1st to a million" isn't one of the valid criteria by which to judge BD's success?

 

1) It's way behind in total disc sales.  Which is better, a format that has one movie get to 1 million, with a total of 15 million in sales?  Or a format with no one at 1 million that has a total of 30 million in sales?

2) The home movie market has grown something like at least 5% per year DVD has been on the market in the US alone.  It's been on the market over 10 years.  Not to mention the growth has been exponentially larger in other areas of the world.

Do you realize how much bigger that makes the market?  It's like saying I'm better the JD rockfeller because I made it to 1,000 dollars faster then he did.  There is no account for the vast inflation in the market.

1 Million in sales is probably something less then 500,000 sales for DVD if you made a conversion method.

 

The discussion of Blu-ray's viability is not about it someday replacing DVD.  We all know that won't happen and Bill Hunt concedes that point as well.  It's about it being able to be successful, nothing more.

 



Keep this in mind when reading what I type...

I've been gaming longer than many of you have been alive.

Kasz216 on 23 November 2008
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.


That's because i've posted the numbers like a thousand times in these blu-ray threads.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales112108.htm

is a good start though.  Even Sony isn't optimistic.

 

Ok, let's simplify the discussion a bit.  Why do you feel that "1st to a million" isn't one of the valid criteria by which to judge BD's success?

 

1) It's way behind in total disc sales.  Which is better, a format that has one movie get to 1 million, with a total of 15 million in sales?  Or a format with no one at 1 million that has a total of 30 million in sales?

2) The home movie market has grown something like at least 5% per year DVD has been on the market in the US alone.  It's been on the market over 10 years.  Not to mention the growth has been exponentially larger in other areas of the world.

Do you realize how much bigger that makes the market?  It's like saying I'm better the JD rockfeller because I made it to 1,000 dollars faster then he did.  There is no account for the vast inflation in the market.

1 Million in sales is probably something less then 500,000 sales for DVD if you made a conversion method.

 

The discussion of Blu-ray's viability is not about it someday replacing DVD.  We all know that won't happen and Bill Hunt concedes that point as well.  It's about it being able to be successful, nothing more.

That's the thing.  Laserdisc was "successful" by that starndard.

The question is.  How do you define successful?

Probably by the companies intentions no?

Sony's intention?  To replace DVD.

I mean otherwise, it's not like movie companies lose anything by blu-ray... even if it dies.  The only people that do are Sony and the others who made the techonology.

I mean if being a "Super Laserdisc" is what you consider successful, sure.  Most don't though.  Also i'd say his projections are likely off.  Most people i believe really don't care about HD content, outside of it possibly replacing what they already have. (IE they get rid of SD, or they can't buy anything but HD when their tvs run out.  I know plenty of people who have HD tvs soley because that's all they sell big screens anymore.



dougsdad0629 on 23 November 2008
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Kasz216 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Hawkeye said:
Did Sony anticipate this economic collapse? Imo their plan blew up in their face and they are screwed. Blu prices are going down because people aren't buying- monery is tighter, so they are much less willing to pay more money to get a better picture quality when what they have works fine. If Blu players stayed $300-$500 this Xmas, the format would virtually die. Prices are falling to as low as $180- this is an attempt to get people to buy it. Retailers have stated that if Blu Ray does extremely poorly this holiday, they will drop it/ scale back. Blu ray isn't on its last leg or anything, but its make or break time.

 

 Apparently, you didn't read the column found at the link I provided.  Blu-ray is doing very well.  Better than DVD at the same point in its life span.  The lower prices have nothing to do with the economy.  It's all about economy of scale.  The fact that there are budget models from brands like Insignia means that the drives themselves have become cheap enough and economical enough to warrant the production of these entry level players.  The home video market has leveled off and become stagnant the last several years.  Blu-ray is successfully bringing about the growth in the market that the studios had always hoped it would.

That column is a straight lie.  In fact it's not even sayign blu-ray is going to do good.  It just says it's going to "hang on."

When it comes to disc sales blu-ray is MILES behind DVD during the same time period.

Considering the vast slowing of blu-ray adoption and Sony cutting it's own blu-ray forecasts drastically (which were behind DVD in the first place....)

Pretty much shows that Blu-ray isn't a predestined replacement.

Sure, neither i digital download.

It may just be that DVD stays the champ for a while.

Just how Laserdisc never put away VHS.

 

 

 With all due respect, where is the evidence in your accusation of the column being a lie?  Bill Hunt has countless industry contacts at all of the studios and throughout the industry as a whole.  Again, with all due respect, he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.  Just because you say it's a lie or choose not to believe it, doesn't make it so.

Because DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray when it comes to discs sold.

One of the things he uses is "First to a million"

When the movie industry has VASTLY INCREASED under DVD.

The fact that Blu-ray has sold less total discs number wise compared to DVD during this timeframe, despite their being an expanded audience is extremely telling.

Blu-ray ain't dead.... but it ain't doing great.

Look at Sony themselves... even they can't PR speak around it lately.

Sure the industry wants it to succeed that's why they've been pushing such a propaganda wave at people to get them to think Blu-ray was doing great... however looking at the numbers... even when it was "adopting faster then Blu-ray" it wasn't.

Blu-ray is in for some seriously rocky times with the economic troubles,a nd has to hope to ride them out and hope nothing more functional with more features comes out and laserdiscs them.

Entertainment is fairly recession proof, but i think you'll find that it tends to shift a bit.  People would rather buy more movies then a Blu-ray player.  Smaller entertainment that offers value will win out.

 

 All I still see is a bunch of "cause I said so" from you.


That's because i've posted the numbers like a thousand times in these blu-ray threads.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales112108.htm

is a good start though.  Even Sony isn't optimistic.

 

Ok, let's simplify the discussion a bit.  Why do you feel that "1st to a million" isn't one of the valid criteria by which to judge BD's success?

 

1) It's way behind in total disc sales.  Which is better, a format that has one movie get to 1 million, with a total of 15 million in sales?  Or a format with no one at 1 million that has a total of 30 million in sales?

2) The home movie market has grown something like at least 5% per year DVD has been on the market in the US alone.  It's been on the market over 10 years.  Not to mention the growth has been exponentially larger in other areas of the world.

Do you realize how much bigger that makes the market?  It's like saying I'm better the JD rockfeller because I made it to 1,000 dollars faster then he did.  There is no account for the vast inflation in the market.

1 Million in sales is probably something less then 500,000 sales for DVD if you made a conversion method.

 

The discussion of Blu-ray's viability is not about it someday replacing DVD.  We all know that won't happen and Bill Hunt concedes that point as well.  It's about it being able to be successful, nothing more.

That's the thing.  Laserdisc was "successful" by that starndard.

The question is.  How do you define successful?

Probably by the companies intentions no?

Sony's intention?  To replace DVD.

I mean otherwise, it's not like movie companies lose anything by blu-ray... even if it dies.  The only people that do are Sony and the others who made the techonology.

I don't remember the exact post, but Bill mentioned Laserdisc and the fact that it was considered "successful" yet only sold approx. 2 million players in its lifetime.  I'll post the link if I can find it.  Blu-ray is well over 10 million already.

 



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