Salvia is actually being studied for its medicinal properties, and supposedly it can cure people from cocaine addictions somehow. People really want to do some blow, they do salvia, they flip out for 10 minutes, and the craving signal is gone.
It's also not addictive, unlike coffee, booze, and smokes.
Pretty much no hallucinogen out there is addictive, or at least physically addictive. But people who claim that a drug is bad because its psychologically addictive are full of crap. ANYTHING can be psychologically addictive, including video games.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
People get addicted to sex, the internet, chocolate, and I read about a guy who was addicted to soda in the 40s or 50s, and they found out he wasn't addicted to the caffiene, he was seriously physically addicted to the carbonation, and had crazy withdrawals, so they had to very slowly wean him off the stuff with various fizzy waters until he was okay with regular water again.
If anybody wants to have a consistent argument that addictive things should be illegal, they need to start with booze, sex, the internet, and coffee. And then maybe they can help The Ghost of Rubang B with his kicking ass addiction. Motherfucker just can't stop.
David Duchovny had to go to rehab for sex addiction recently.
American culture revolves around addiction, addiction to feeling insecure about yourself and having to buy things to feel better, addiction to money, addiction to feeling popular, addiction to needing to be accepted by others, and addiction to sexual stimulation (visually, physically, and any other means it can be marketed at you).
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| akuma587 said: David Duchovny had to go to rehab for sex addiction recently. American culture revolves around addiction, addiction to feeling insecure about yourself and having to buy things to feel better, addiction to money, addiction to feeling popular, addiction to needing to be accepted by others, and addiction to sexual stimulation (visually, physically, and any other means it can be marketed at you). |
I sometimes wish I had followed through and became a monk. I would not have to deal with this silliness.
| The Ghost of RubangB said: So you want to cut off people from the rest of society who don't agree with you? What the fuck? Personally, I'm tired of people like you who have met a couple assholes who use drugs and suddenly decide all drug users are assholes. What about people who drink too much coffee and it really makes them an asshole? They're all over the place, especially at the restaurants I've worked at. People would be mad at me for not drinking coffee, saying I work too slow and I really need a pick-me-up to stay on my toes. One guy who was training me would have a coffee and a couple sodas, and then he'd feel like he's working faster, but he'd get all jittery and forget stuff and drop shit. Caffiene is a highly addictive mind-altering DRUG that can and does make people assholes. Should we put everybody who drinks coffee in your little "sub-colony"? I'm sick and tired of people always asking me for a smoke or for a light everywhere I go, and all these assholes who smoke on the steps right outside the buildings at shool, right in front of the signs that say it's illegal to smoke within 20 feet of the buildings. I think all smokers should be rolled up in a giant rug and thrown into the Arctic. Fuck yeah. |
A couple, Rubang? How about being thrown into an entire town that has been torn apart by rampant drug use, to the point that 10 year olds are hooked on drugs in school? What about 6th graders running around naked because they're tripping on E? From what I understand, you're not here in the US, but if you do visit, come to East Philadelphia, or Camden, NJ or Irvington, NJ. Then you can truly get an understanding of what happens when drugs become the mainstay of a community. I've seen things in this life that I pray that no one else has to witness. So, don't go telling me that I've "met a couple assholes who use drugs", when you have NO effin clue of where I've been or what I've seen.
Akuma - People can become addicted to many things easily via their genetics or brain patterns. Some things tend to have stronger effects. Take nicotine for example - how many smokers are out there that just can't kick the habit because they get terrible headaches from nicotine withdrawal? The same is the affect with stronger drugs, like cocaine. The chemicals within are much harder than resist than say, an addiction to Pop-Tarts. Would it then be the better idea to legalize drugs because some people DON'T get addicted, and just say "f**k the people who DO get addicted"? Is that going to keep your 10 year old son safe from getting addicted to drugs because his brain is wired for addiction?
The sad end of the story is that people get into drugs in the first place to try and fit in, to be cool, or to experiment with something that has absolutely no positive contribution to the world. There is no natural reason nor need to do drugs. You don't need them for survival, they offer no bodily nourishment, and despite what some think, do not enhance your usefulness in society or the world at all. Despite what some may think, the world is not there to entertain them. I'm sorry if people are bored in their little suburban communities and have nothing better to do. Im sure you can find something else to do than get into drugs - read a book, write a book, learn a new language, make a new trick up on your bike or skateboard. There's a world of possibilites instead of becoming another unproductive person in an overcrowded world.
I wish drinking and smoking were outlawed. They should also ban highly unhealthy and fattening food. Legalizing marijuana would be taking our country in the wrong direction.
One of the reasons why people who smoke marijuana try harder core drugs is because they are marginalized along with other drug users because marijuana is a illegal. If alcohol was illegal, you can damn sure bet it would be a gateway drug too.
If smoking marijuana were socially acceptable and legal, it would lose almost all of its potency as a gateway drug since you would not have to come into contact with illegal drug users to buy it. Marijuana is a gateway drug because we have turned it into a gateway drug.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| akuma587 said: So why aren't the people who are against legalizing marijuana fighting for the outlawing of alcohol? Alcohol kills thousands of people every year and tens of thousands when you consider the adverse effect is has on people's health. |
Becuase there are 200 million americans who have been drikning alchol for pretty much their entire lives and would violently oppose outlawing alchol. People are used to drinking it and would just bootleg/buy bootlegs. Now that society is used to alchol, it will never go away.
bardicverse said:
A couple, Rubang? How about being thrown into an entire town that has been torn apart by rampant drug use, to the point that 10 year olds are hooked on drugs in school? What about 6th graders running around naked because they're tripping on E? From what I understand, you're not here in the US, but if you do visit, come to East Philadelphia, or Camden, NJ or Irvington, NJ. Then you can truly get an understanding of what happens when drugs become the mainstay of a community. I've seen things in this life that I pray that no one else has to witness. So, don't go telling me that I've "met a couple assholes who use drugs", when you have NO effin clue of where I've been or what I've seen. Akuma - People can become addicted to many things easily via their genetics or brain patterns. Some things tend to have stronger effects. Take nicotine for example - how many smokers are out there that just can't kick the habit because they get terrible headaches from nicotine withdrawal? The same is the affect with stronger drugs, like cocaine. The chemicals within are much harder than resist than say, an addiction to Pop-Tarts. Would it then be the better idea to legalize drugs because some people DON'T get addicted, and just say "f**k the people who DO get addicted"? Is that going to keep your 10 year old son safe from getting addicted to drugs because his brain is wired for addiction? The sad end of the story is that people get into drugs in the first place to try and fit in, to be cool, or to experiment with something that has absolutely no positive contribution to the world. There is no natural reason nor need to do drugs. You don't need them for survival, they offer no bodily nourishment, and despite what some think, do not enhance your usefulness in society or the world at all. Despite what some may think, the world is not there to entertain them. I'm sorry if people are bored in their little suburban communities and have nothing better to do. Im sure you can find something else to do than get into drugs - read a book, write a book, learn a new language, make a new trick up on your bike or skateboard. There's a world of possibilites instead of becoming another unproductive person in an overcrowded world |
Whoa, do I come off as European 'cuz I'm naked? Hell yeah.
I was born in Pasadena, CA, a suburb of Los Angeles, and I lived in some L.A. suburbs, then in downtown Boston, then in the Highland Park neighborhood of Los Angeles (amazing El Salvadorean food everywhere), and now I'm on the border of Oakland and Emeryville, CA, going to UC Berkeley. I've passed out drunk in my own house and had a total stranger tell my band he could shoot me up with speed to wake me back up. (They politely told him to stay the fuck away from me.) I haven't been to New Jersey, but I doubt it's as hardcore as downtown L.A. or downtown Oakland, which has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country. Somebody got shot on my street in February, a couple houses down, across the street from a daycare center. I've been offered heroin on the street in San Francisco. I'm in the ghetto and loving every minute of it. (Splitting a $485 room with my lady right now.)
But a couple wackos, or even a shitload of wackos, doesn't ruin my argument. More people die in car accidents than drug accidents. Yet driving remains legal. More people accidentally get shot when they own guns than when they don't own guns. Yet owning guns remains legal. There are tons of things that are legal but stupid, and we can't make it illegal to do stupid things, or else it would be illegal to argue on VGChartz all the time.
@2nd bolded part:
Nicotine is more addictive than any other drug except for heroin. They're supposedly tied as the 2 most addictive substances around. They're both more addictive than cocaine or Pop-Tarts or marijuana. And yet nicotine is supposed to be the most socially acceptable drug and heroin is supposed to be the naughtiest drug.
Nobody is arguing to say "fuck the people who get addicted." We'll still have rehab clinics and friends and family who can offer moral support to anybody trying to kick any type of addiction. But what I want is the right and the freedom to put whatever I want into my own body, whether it's good for me or not. If the argument is "but it's bad for you" then you should also outlaw McDonald's, because that stuff is unhealthy, causes obesity (and diabetes) and all the fried stuff at fast food restaurants causes cancer. The medical bills related to obesity related to fast food tears more families apart than marijuana does. And the drug laws have nothing to do with health anyway. Doctors and scientists have listed every drug in order of unhealthiness, and our laws seem completely random in comparison. If the argument is "but what about the kids?" then I guess I'll just raise my own kids, so that won't be a problem.
@3rd bolded part:
The funny thing about human beings is that they can take care of their survival needs really really fast and then they have a ton of leisure time. All I need to survive is a job at supermarket so I can pay my rent and buy my food. Everything else I do in my life is not for survival. I don't go to college to survive. I actually like learning. I don't need the internet to survive. I really don't see what you were getting at with this paragraph, unless you're telling kids to get off your lawn 'cuz back in your day people got stuff done?
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