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Retrasado said:
stof said:
You ask this question like we'll have a chance to miss him. If there's any justice in this world (and I'm not sure there is), we'll be seeing him for years to come in court and at the War Crimes tribunal.

War crimes? What crimes did he commit? Last I checked, it is ok for the President to declare war and Congress to back him up, and that's what he did. I don't like Bush very much, but he hasn't broken any laws with the war. The only thing he's done that could be illegal is the PATRIOT act, but even if that is ruled unconstitutional, he still didn't break any lawsby proposing it.

 

You really have no idea so i suggest you read about the evidence that proves inconclusivly that the Bush administration manufactured information which was then used to convince Congress, and the UN, to vote for invasion of Iraq.

Read about the countless Supreme court decisions that have labelled the Bush admins decisions on suspension of Habeas Corpus and use of torture as illegal.

Read about the UN international criminal courts view on these matters.

These are all war crimes. These were commited following the approval, in some cases collusion, of the Bush administration.



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megaman79 said:
Retrasado said:
stof said:
You ask this question like we'll have a chance to miss him. If there's any justice in this world (and I'm not sure there is), we'll be seeing him for years to come in court and at the War Crimes tribunal.

War crimes? What crimes did he commit? Last I checked, it is ok for the President to declare war and Congress to back him up, and that's what he did. I don't like Bush very much, but he hasn't broken any laws with the war. The only thing he's done that could be illegal is the PATRIOT act, but even if that is ruled unconstitutional, he still didn't break any lawsby proposing it.

 

You really have no idea so i suggest you read about the evidence that proves inconclusivly that the Bush administration manufactured information which was then used to convince Congress, and the UN, to vote for invasion of Iraq.

Read about the countless Supreme court decisions that have labelled the Bush admins decisions on suspension of Habeas Corpus and use of torture as illegal.

Read about the UN international criminal courts view on these matters.

These are all war crimes. These were commited following the approval, in some cases collusion, of the Bush administration.

 

 So give us the links then.



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Megaman is being a little extreme, but he is correct that some of the things that Bush has done could potentially be considered criminal, if not as a war crime but at least as a domestic crime.



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I won't miss him at all, hopefully Obama can get things going in the right direction again.




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akuma587 said:
Megaman is being a little extreme, but he is correct that some of the things that Bush has done could potentially be considered criminal, if not as a war crime but at least as a domestic crime.

 

 I can understand that, but war crimes? Cmon now, thats just silly. And even the crimes that are speculated on have almost no legitimate evidence to make a case out of it, and involve so many what ifs and persons involved that it could never pass.

 



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Its also true that it was some of the "lower down" people (like your run of the mill military soldiers) who WANTED to torture people, and they were asking for permission. So it wasn't like a top-down decision in all cases. But both can still be criminal.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
Megaman is being a little extreme, but he is correct that some of the things that Bush has done could potentially be considered criminal, if not as a war crime but at least as a domestic crime.

 

Megaman quoted a bunch of UN resolutions and a few Supreme Court decisions, which mean little or have no bearing on Bush's legality.

The Supreme Court's rulings have no punitive effect on Bush because they, by and large, were also approved by Congress. The Supreme Court is not a court that dictates punishment; they generally deal with the Constitution and the legality of laws passed. If a President was to make a "law" (which he doesn't) that is later run down by the Supreme Court, there is no basis for which that President should be prosecuted by law. It's the very nature of the United States system. Congress passes a law, a President might approve or initiate that law, but the Supreme Court simply deems it legal or not. Of course, their influence also goes to the state level but that's another subject entirely and is not relevant to this because no state can prosecute on a federal matter.

As for the UN, they're a toothless entity that has no real power to enact or do anything. Looking for them to "put Bush in his place" is comical. If you really gave a shit, you would have been calling for Putin's head nearly a decade ago and you would have been arguing about the French and German involvement in the "Oil for Food" program before the Iraq War even started.

I have a hard time respecting anyone who wants Bush to be prosecuted for "X" while they let the rest of the world get away with murder. Yeah, Bush was a prick. One of my three best friends on all of Earth died from a suicide bomber outside Baghdad. I had to watch a father bury his son and a wife of a year bury her mate. It was terrible. I have a million reasons to deride and despise Bush but I won't let myself stoop to the level of many of you so called "progressive thinkers".

PS. Akuma, that last paragraph wasn't aimed at you. Just wanted to make that clear.




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rocketpig said:
akuma587 said:
Megaman is being a little extreme, but he is correct that some of the things that Bush has done could potentially be considered criminal, if not as a war crime but at least as a domestic crime.

 

Megaman quoted a bunch of UN resolutions and a few Supreme Court decisions, which mean little or have no bearing on Bush's legality.

The Supreme Court's rulings have no punitive effect on Bush because they, by and large, were also approved by Congress. The Supreme Court is not a court that dictates punishment; they generally deal with the Constitution and the legality of laws passed. If a President was to make a "law" (which he doesn't) that is later run down by the Supreme Court, there is no basis for which that President should be prosecuted by law. It's the very nature of the United States system. Congress passes a law, a President might approve or initiate that law, but the Supreme Court simply deems it legal or not. Of course, their influence also goes to the state level but that's another subject entirely and is not relevant to this because no state can prosecute on a federal matter.

As for the UN, they're a toothless entity that has no real power to enact or do anything. Looking for them to "put Bush in his place" is comical. If you really gave a shit, you would have been calling for Putin's head nearly a decade ago and you would have been arguing about the French and German involvement in the "Oil for Food" program before the Iraq War even started.

I have a hard time respecting anyone who wants Bush to be prosecuted for "X" while they let the rest of the world get away with murder. Yeah, Bush was a prick. One of my three best friends on all of Earth died from a suicide bomber outside Baghdad. I had to watch a father bury his son and a wife of a year bury her mate. It was terrible. I have a million reasons to deride and despise Bush but I won't let myself stoop to the level of many of you so called "progressive thinkers".

There are a lot more things that went on in the White House than just this stuff.  There were a lot of inappropriate contacts with a lot of dubious people (see Jack Abramoff, who was one of the most frequent visitors to the White House).  They even came up with an elaborate process to where it wasn't directly documented when Abramoff came and visited.

I mean really, just about every President does something illegal at one time or the other.  Bush probably did a few more than normal though (including compared to other Republicans).

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Thank you for bringing up one very important point.

Every President does something "illegal". Illegal by whose standards? The opposition? The Congress? The UN? Supreme Court?

Every time you think about prosecuting Bush, think of one name:

Lyndon B Johnson. Or, maybe, something a little softer for your palette:

Abraham Lincoln.

In short, get the FUCK over it. Mistakes were made, no one is going to be prosecuted, and if you think that's an error on the world's part, pay a bit of fucking attention to history. Bush is/was a prick. No one is going to prosper from bringing him down.




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rocketpig said:

Thank you for bringing up one very important point.

Every President does something "illegal". Illegal by whose standards? The opposition? The Congress? The UN? Supreme Court?

Every time you think about prosecuting Bush, think of one name:

Lyndon B Johnson. Or, maybe, something a little softer for your palette:

Abraham Lincoln.

In short, get the FUCK over it. Mistakes were made, no one is going to be prosecuted, and if you think that's an error on the world's part, pay a bit of fucking attention to history. Bush is/was a prick. No one is going to prosper from bringing him down.

Nah, that is not true at all.  Political parties (Republican and Democrat) thrive on painting past Presidents (and even unsuccessful candidates) as unethical, incompetent, etc. Politics is just as much about controlling the past as it is about controlling the present.

Think:

Republican Examples:

Nixon (for good reason though his foreign policy is unappreciated by most people)

Herbert Hoover (incompetence)

Dan Quayle (just plain being an idiot)

Bush - "W" (yet to be determined in the long term, but pretty obvious he will be a human pinata for at least some time)

Democratic Examples:

Jimmy Carter (incompetence and aloofness)

Michael Dukakis (limousine liberal)

John Kerry (limousine liberal and wind-suring Frenchman)

Clinton (for getting a BJ)



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson