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mesoteto said:
Thatmax said:
Things like this are what help to keep the homophobic American stereotype alive in the eyes of the rest of the world.

 

what is homophobic, if it was the black panther, teh klan or anyother group, hell it could be teh American lung association i would feel the same way i have no problem with gay people It’s a biological tick the same way my brain is wired to like the opposite sex there are wired for the reverse, that doesn’t make them bad people What makes them the villain in this to me is the fact they are trying to get the governments not only to give them legal rights (which they should have b/c no legal citizen deserves less) but to make them say hey churches and faiths you have no right to deny the marriage rights to anyone hand over more of your self "Just as the church has no right to dictate morality to the government, the government should have no rights to force churches to do things that stand against their moral principles." that is perfect--that is my point

Show me one example of a church being forced to marry two gay people.  Marriage can happen completely outside of a church, in case you were unaware.

 



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mesoteto said:

 

what does me being a white male have to do with this, or voting for that matter? I supposed if its about discrimination then sure, i am the only legal group left in the states you can discriminate aganist so we can go there if you want but it wont help your argument i think your starting to twist facts and scarecrow arguments b/c you cant answer my fundamental question why do they have to take a name away from a group that is willing to give on everything else A good compromise mean no side is completely happy The faiths of the world have to recognize the legal rights couple have regardless of who make them up but we get to keep our names Homosexual couple get the legal right but not the name

I don't think many blacks were upset when we abolished slavery.  Should we have compromised, and maybe chopped one of their fingers off just to call it even?

I don't think many women were upset when we gave them the right to vote.  Should we make them get felt up whenever they go in the voting booth to even things out?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

^yes i am aware thank you or talking to me like i am a child its obvious that my different opinion then your means you are older and wiser

i cant b/c it hasn't happened yet

however if a gay couple would like to use a church and the state say same sex marriage is legal they could draft the paper work and force the church to let them use the space

even more so if its in public domain like many church that worship out of community centers and such

and while this would be a big loss for religious faith it would be one more law that limits faith

i love how you seem die hard to defend one side and freedoms but not the other
but what do i know i am a child to you remember



 

akuma587 said:
mesoteto said:

 

what does me being a white male have to do with this, or voting for that matter? I supposed if its about discrimination then sure, i am the only legal group left in the states you can discriminate aganist so we can go there if you want but it wont help your argument i think your starting to twist facts and scarecrow arguments b/c you cant answer my fundamental question why do they have to take a name away from a group that is willing to give on everything else A good compromise mean no side is completely happy The faiths of the world have to recognize the legal rights couple have regardless of who make them up but we get to keep our names Homosexual couple get the legal right but not the name

I don't think many blacks were upset when we abolished slavery.  Should we have compromised, and maybe chopped one of their fingers off just to call it even?

I don't think many women were upset when we gave them the right to vote.  Should we make them get felt up whenever they go in the voting booth to even things out?

 


clever i see what you did there instead of logic and reason you went to extremes very clever while we are at it why not throw in the Nazis and the Jewish community or the american people and the native americans lets really make it extreme you cant change the fact that equal should be applied to both sides, i should have just as much right to say no as you do to say yes b/c any way you spin it for this case one groups rights are going to be steps on but you seem to feel that its okay as long as its the religions

 

It is ironic that the large African-American turnout bolstered support for the amendments.



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rocketpig said:
akuma587 said:
mesoteto said:
is it hurting them any way to not use that name if they are given full legal right just like another married couple?

no its not

however my faith is losing another part of what it has fought to hold onto

so lets recap

you lose nothing by not getting the name

but my faith loses something by having the name taken away

how is that fair?

ohh wait its not

What does your faith have anything to do with how a society that is governed by separation of church and state conducts itself?  And boo freaking hoo if you are upset by it.  Are your rights more important than theirs?

How about we let blacks and women vote, but we make them go to separate polling locations and call it something different.  They can "mote" but the can't "vote."  I mean its still the same in the end right?  Why should they care if we call it "vote" or "mote."  I mean isn't it completely reasonable to make them go to separate voting locations to free up congestion for all the white males?

Hey, don't knock it. I'm a firm believer that Obama is only 3/5ths of a President.

Anyway, mesoteto, do you honestly believe that "your faith" invented the word marriage? History says otherwise... In that case, don't you think it's a big presumptuous to claim the word as your own?

 

Christians can do anything they want with marriage since they invented it. Just like Christmas, Easter and Jesus.

 



@mesoteto:

Maybe you didn't read what I said, show me one example of a church being forced to marry two gay people when it didn't want to.  That seems to be the entire basis of your argument, so show me proof of it actually being a problem.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Bursche said:
I voted against Amendment 2. I was really surpised to see it pass also. I thought Florida was a little better than that.

Thank you very much Bursche. I know we've had our differences in the past, but I'm very glad you didn't vote with the 62% of Floridians who apparently consider me to be a second class citizen.

 



damkira said:
Bursche said:
I voted against Amendment 2. I was really surpised to see it pass also. I thought Florida was a little better than that.

Thank you very much Bursche. I know we've had our differences in the past, but I'm very glad you didn't vote with the 62% of Floridians who apparently consider me to be a third class citizen.

 

 

Fixed that for you, anyone who isnt making 250k and above is a second class citizen.



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mesoteto said:
however if a gay couple would like to use a church and the state say same sex marriage is legal they could draft the paper work and force the church to let them use the space

even more so if its in public domain like many church that worship out of community centers and such

and while this would be a big loss for religious faith it would be one more law that limits faith

i love how you seem die hard to defend one side and freedoms but not the other
but what do i know i am a child to you remember

 

No. No they can't. Even if they could, who would want to get married somewhere that people don't want them?

Gay marriage has been legal in Canada since 2005. We didn't implode. People didn't lose their jobs. Priests didn't go on murder sprees. Everything is normal. Gay couples want the same rights as straight couples get. Adoption rights, hospital visitation rights, the comfort in knowing that if something happens to you, your partner is taken care of.

I don't know why you're so hung up on churches anyways. People don't have to married in a church. Ellen Degeneres and Portia DeRossi got married in their backyard. I don't know who married them, and even if it was a priest, they did it under their free will because he or she wanted to.

It's people like you that make me ashamed I'm a Christian.