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A lot of gay people are blaming Democrats for this but I think its just ridiculous when you consider that its Republicans pushing these sorts of amendments... but when you look at the demographic breakdown for the vote on prop 8 in California, the only two groups who voted it down overwhelmingly were blacks and seniors. Being gay, I've always felt ashamed when I have racist thoughts because I know what its like to be treated differently.. you would think 70% of black folks in California would feel the same way :(

 



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damkira said:

A lot of gay people are blaming Democrats for this but I think its just ridiculous when you consider that its Republicans pushing these sorts of amendments... but when you look at the demographic breakdown for the vote on prop 8 in California, the only two groups who voted it down overwhelmingly were blacks and seniors. Being gay, I've always felt ashamed when I have racist thoughts because I know what its like to be treated differently.. you would think 70% of black folks in California would feel the same way :(

 

 

Same reason Amendment 2 passed in Florida. Unfortunately the only person to blame for this is Obama. He brought out a ton and a half of African American voters and we all know most African Americans are overly religious.



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I hope Obama takes from this in CA and Florida than the US is still Center right... the reason the left won was a reaction, not a paradime shift...



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damkira said:
Just out of curiousity....

Are there any other gay ppls here or just Truckasaurus and myself?

*Waves* I live in the UK and I'm pretty saddened by what happened. I used to live in MA and was happy to see other couples getting married. It will not be banned in MA. When I lived there, a proposal to send a ban to the ballot did not even muster 25% in the state house. Well at least the mormons/catholics have succeeded in preserving the sanctity of Britney Spears 55 hour drunken marriage.

Rubang's always been an anti-semite, duh! Jews are the reason that the sun sets at night, Jews are the reason that global warming is happening, and Jews are the reason that the earth isn't flat!

And anyone who blames the Democrats for banning gay marriage needs to look at how badly the Republicans treat the Log Cabin Republicans. I don't know how you could be gay and Republican when you are outcast from your own party. Its like me trying to join the Black Panthers!



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akuma587 said:
Senlis said:
I believe that since marriage has been defined as a union between a man and woman, there is no gay marriage to ban.

I think Thomas Sowell says it best:

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/11/05/affirmative_action_and_gay_marriage

A man's wife used to be defined as a man's property.  Just because a definition is used throughout history does not mean that the definition can't change.

Black people used to be defined as 3/5ths of a person.

Teenagers ued to be defined as adults.

Relying on a literal definition is a self-defeating purpose, because the definition you are using has probably been modified from some other definition in the first place, and countless other definitions have fundamentally changed as time has gone on, so why should we restrict ourselves to an older definition on a different social institution.

 

Well that and marriage wasn't always just between a man and a woman.  It just became that way after the Catholic church took over Rome.

 



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akuma587 said:
Rubang's always been an anti-semite, duh! Jews are the reason that the sun sets at night, Jews are the reason that global warming is happening, and Jews are the reason that the earth isn't flat!

And anyone who blames the Democrats for banning gay marriage needs to look at how badly the Republicans treat the Log Cabin Republicans. I don't know how you could be gay and Republican when you are outcast from your own party. Its like a Jew joining the Nazi party.

Well that's just out of line.

Aside from which... it's not like democrats are much better.

If your going to be one of the two, better to go with the other issues.

I mean, why give someone points because they're "Less against" gay marriage... and furthermore to choose that over ever other issue you may believe in?

The Lob Cabin Republicans would be better off making there own party sure... but i can see why someone would be one if they agreed with republicans more then democrats except for that issue.



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bigjon said:
I hope Obama takes from this in CA and Florida than the US is still Center right... the reason the left won was a reaction, not a paradime shift...

The demographics of the country have changed drastically in the last twenty-eight years.  One of the reasons Obama won because he had so much support from the influx of new minorities, especially Latinos.  All you have to do is look at states like New Mexico, Nevada, and Colorado that flipped to see that the country is changing.  The center-right phenomenon is over, the country just isn't the same place it was when we elected Reagan.

I would say the absolute most conservative we are is between center right and moderate.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson