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then b/c of how i was raised and the base of my beliefs i would have to disagree with that

but i wouldn't want you denied rights i have available as long as it didn't take way from my family or me



 

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mesoteto said:
i am not claiming Christianity is the only one responsible for marriage

the idea of marriage has been around and been called many different things

however what is being sought here isn't the ideal

its the actual act of marriage developed by the various faiths, you cant seem to separate that fact

it does boil down to my original point, give them the same legal rights as the marriage of a man and woman get but reserve marriage for those willing to do it before god in some form or another

So why can atheists marry?

 



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i just looked at the ballot measures and it looks like 3 states arizona california and florida have banned gay marriage. Now only 2 states in the US allow gay marriage from the 3 it used to be. so sad.

last election 11 states banned gay marriage.



akuma587 said:
mesoteto said:
i am not claiming Christianity is the only one responsible for marriage

the idea of marriage has been around and been called many different things

however what is being sought here isn't the ideal

its the actual act of marriage developed by the various faiths, you cant seem to separate that fact

it does boil down to my original point, give them the same legal rights as the marriage of a man and woman get but reserve marriage for those willing to do it before god in some form or another

So why can atheists marry?

 

 

b/c they can fall into teh crack of a man and a woman

 

i dont agree with that situation either but since we cant read minds there is never really anyway to stop this

 



 

It's legal here. For myself, despite my religious beliefs I think the state should allow gay couples to marry. But churches of all religions should have the right to choose not to perform those ceromonies.

But if they want a judge to marry them in City Hall or at a resort or such, go ahead. Be merry. Find out what it's like to have your partner screw you over in divorce court. Why save that pleasure just for hetrosexuals?



 

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TruckOSaurus said:
HappySqurriel said:
TruckOSaurus said:
HappySqurriel said:

The "Traditional" definition of marriage more or less relates to a man and a woman entering into a partnership in order to raise children with legitimate paternity. This is the predominant view of marriage throughout the world, and has been the predominant view of marriage throughout history, and a relationship that can not generate children does not make sense under this definition ... A man declaring he is menstrating makes as much sense as two men declaring they're married under this definition.

So a guy married to a barren woman should divorce her because his marriage makes no sense if you use the "traditional" definition of marriage?

 

Are you really unaware of the fact that that used to happen? I think you need to read more history, I think you should start by reading about Henry VIII of England.

 

Catherine of Aragon was not barren, she had many pregnancies but a lot of stillborn babies. She had a girl (Mary) and a boy who only lived a month or two.

 

 

... and her inability to produce a male heir was the reason she was considered to be an unfit wife.

A large portion of what we now understand about reproduction demonstrate that the "Traditional" definition of marriage may be obsolete, but the "Romantic" definition of marriage is also far from ideal. Personally, I'm for the elimination of a legal definition of marriage because most of the rights and responsibilities that come from marriage no longer require a marriage and people generally define their relationship on their own terms anyways.



do they have to go thru divorce courts?



 

mesoteto said:
then b/c of how i was raised and the base of my beliefs i would have to disagree with that

but i wouldn't want you denied rights i have available as long as it didn't take way from my family or me

 

And that's your guys' problem. Two gays getting married takes nothing away from you. For some reason you think it does.



i don't have a problem just a difference of opinion just like i don't see you having a problem for wanting what you do



 

HappySqurriel said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Catherine of Aragon was not barren, she had many pregnancies but a lot of stillborn babies. She had a girl (Mary) and a boy who only lived a month or two.

 

 

... and her inability to produce a male heir was the reason she was considered to be an unfit wife.

A large portion of what we now understand about reproduction demonstrate that the "Traditional" definition of marriage may be obsolete, but the "Romantic" definition of marriage is also far from ideal. Personally, I'm for the elimination of a legal definition of marriage because most of the rights and responsibilities that come from marriage no longer require a marriage and people generally define their relationship on their own terms anyways.

 

This is why Henry VIII considered her an unfit wife but that argument would not have been enough to convince the Church to declare the marriage void. They used the fact that she was married to Henry's brother before him to declare she was not a virgin before the marriage to Henry (a fact she has always denied). That was the official reason the marriage was declared void.

As for the rest of your point, I agree with the fact that people define their own relationship nowadays. I just wanted to set some history points straight.



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