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Kasz216 on 03 November 2008
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Kaz is the king of the nitpickers.

It's just that a "Self Actualzied" person gives the impression that people are walking around all the time as self actualized.

When in reality this happens fairly rarely... even among people who others would now label as "self actualized" people.

Also it implies permanence and also any one need can be taken a way and such people could never self actualize again.

This is stuff that's often misswritten in textbooks all the time and leads to a lot of errors on what people said. 

Textbooks are useless when you could just as eaisly read their writings first hand.

It's been co-opted by so many people and scam artists that Maslows actual work in the subject hardly seems to matter anymore or is ever taught correctly.

Your right, I agree that few if any people ever actually reach a state of self-actualization.

But you are still the king of nitpickers ;)

 

 

But the point is... it's not really a state... so much as a feeling. 

Most people think of self actuizlation as "Hey i'm happy, life is gerat, and i don't want anything.  I don't really haven any complaints."

When in reality it's a step beyond... a euphoric state that usually doesn't last that long... one of those "feels connected with everything", "Feels god inside of you." type feelings.

That feels better then any drug could ever make you feel etc. 

Such a thing only being short lived and temporary because obviously if you stayed like that too long it'd just be outright dangerous.

Infact Maslow once suggested that Drugs were a good way to get to that self actulization point until he realized that while it got you there... it wasn't the same.

I forget his exact metaphor....

but to be website specific.

It's like beating a tough game on your own talent vs beating a  tough game with the help of cheat codes.

It's the same result... but one way is infinitly more satisfying.

 



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quarashi on 03 November 2008
akuma587 said:
It took me 25 minutes total to drive to my polling station, vote, and drive home. I did vote early though. There was one person ahead of me.

I was at the polling station on Friday for about an hour, including the waiting line which was hell.  My mom told me that in Charlotte people waited for 3 hours some places.  I heard stories of people waitinf for 6 hours though.  And that's just early voting!

 



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fkusumot on 03 November 2008
The_vagabond7 said:

My response to that is simply that except for in extreme examples such as the holocaust, peoples happiness or unhappiness is through their own faultiness (and I'm not entirely certain about blaming even extreme situations). It sounds harsh and callous, but I believe it's largely true. Making the country more socialistic or more free market isn't going to make people happy, because as the it's something that has to be achieved internally. If they are unhappy with their current tax rate, odds are they will still be unfulfilled with the new tax rate.

Progress, technology, medicine, societies and their values at large aren't the source of people's happiness or fulfillment. Vikings had a terrible health plan and spent much of their time raping and stealing, but I'm willing to bet that many of them died far more fulfilled and happy than today's super billionare CEOs that live to 98 years old. Even mortality (both your own and others) is something that one has to come to terms with rather than fought against, because nothing prevents death so much as delays it.

I don't think curing the social ills of today is going to make people feel better, and the ones that it does would probably find a way to be happy regardless. And then of course their is the matter of perspective, if I cure what one person considers a social ill, I create a new social ill for someone else. And that person is either now miserable, or finds a way to be happy anyway. And the first person may be just as miserable as they were before, which had nothing to do with the social ill that I helped cure. Even some jews managed to keep a good attitude in the concentration camps.

Societies problems are intellectual puzzles, rubix cubes with little tangible pay off. I don't mind talking about it for the hell of it, but I don't think it's going to help people in a way that they actually need help.

You sound like a character out of Dostoevsky. Enjoy your existentialism while you can.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 03 November 2008

I, however, am a voting existentialist. I think curing the social ills of today is awesome!



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The_vagabond7 on 03 November 2008

And as a fellow existentialist I saw rock on Rubang. Fix those social ills between drinks, everybodies got to have something to do. Yours is drinking naked and fixing the world.



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seantheamazing on 03 November 2008

Vote Third Party!

Think about it, the countries going downhill no matter who wins. That way you can say you voted for Bab Barr.
But seriously, dont let Corporate America choose your canidates

Bob Barr-Libertarian
Chuck Baldwin-Constitution party
Ralph Nader-Independent, more towards the liberal side

But all of them want ot end the war, secure our liberties, and fix our broken monetary sstem



The_vagabond7 on 03 November 2008

If John Malkovich is a choice I might vote him. I'd have to ask him a couple of hard hitting questions like "Being John Malkovich....what's it like?" If only metaphysical portals were real.



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Commando on 03 November 2008
twesterm said:

Even with countless people bitching at me I'm not!  I just can't give a flying fuck and I don't feel like investing in the time in researching the two candidates to see which one I would actually like.

My wife is angry at me because she wants Obama and he's going to have a hard enough time getting Texas and my parents are mad at me because they hate Obama and Biden and think Palin is the most awesomest thing ever.

I just really don't give a crap about either side so I see no point in voting.

I hear ya twestern.  The annoying thing is my wife most recently started this whole Obama kick.  I blame the NEWS, co-workes and Wii Fit.  She wasn''t even registered to vote (not that I knoe of anyway, she thought she was, but wasn't, or something) and didn't much care until a few weeks ago.  Now her idea is , IOh i'm not voting so I can just go vote for Obama why not? 

   Theres a couple things wrong with this and I wont drag this out, I'll just state the one.  Me not voting is a vote of no confidance.  I am registered, so the statistic will show one vote no tally, and thats my best bet in this election.  I did vote last time, because it was my first and I can't even tell you who I voted for.  The Liberitarian ticket, Nader wasn't listed to my suprise (kinda).  Yeah so me going and voting for Obama, is drasticly against my whole point.  I want the people who look at the statistics later on to see once again the amount of people in favor for "None of the above" and I want to be included in that.

 

   What makes me mad is that my wife is taking this personal, to the point where she even made believe that we had a conversation where I agreed to this dumb plan.  Voting in an american presidentail "election" is one of the biggest sick jokes I have ever seen.  I don't understand how people (particularilly ones over 32 years old) can be so brain dead as to not have figured out that these "speeches" are re-hashed time and again,  the interests of the public have not been held in the interest of our government for over 160 years.  The agendas of the people who do things get done no matter whos in office, and that it has been clearely documented and even told to the American people that the votes are most certainly not counted  BEFORE the presidents inaguration and it's further displayed by the electoral colleges that our votes don't contribute to the outcome.  IMHO anyone who is under the impresion, for all these reasons and dozens more, that "their vote counts" and "everyone needs to vote" and believes "one vote makes a difference" and buys this whole president race nonsense all together should have their brain blown out with a shotgun because they don't use it and don't deserve it anyway.

 



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steven787 on 04 November 2008

Commando, the 2000 election was decided by Florida's electoral vote. The sate was won by 537 votes. Every vote DOES count.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

fkusumot on 04 November 2008

You get what you vote for, people. If you vote for nothing, then...


I Blame Wii Fit!