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akuma587 on 23 October 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
halogamer1989 said:
I hope everyone here is joking--you have heard of this saying, right?

Can't say I have.

 

Akuma is a die har Democrat, so maybe he has heard this one:

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

Sadly, most Americans don't seem to take that advice anymore.

 

Edit: It was also a joke that I hadn't heard the saying.

I'll tell you what I am going to do for my country in a few days.  Vote out a party that has completely abused its power in office and has made a mockery of our entire system of government, the American people, our good name as a country, and even what this very country stands for.

If that isn't doing something for my country I don't know what is.

I also do as much as I can to stay informed about what is going on in this country, in our government, and across the globe.  That is a person's duty as a citizen as much as anything else, to watch what your government is doing.

And my family is in the top 2% of Americans, so we pay a lot of taxes.  And I am in school to become an attorney, so I will also be in one of the higher income tax brackets myself when I graduate.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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TheRealMafoo on 23 October 2008
akuma587 said:

I'll tell you what I am going to do for my country in a few days.  Vote out a party that has completely abused its power in office and has made a mockery of our entire system of government, the American people, our good name as a country, and even what this very country stands for.

 

I agree with you. You are about to vote out the only major party that believes in what this country stands for.

In order to fix this problem, you are going to issue in a new era of big government, and reduction of out liberties.

Your leader talks about taking an axe to something that needs a scalpel. Your party is doing the same thing with respect to our freedoms.

Thank you for fixing a little problem, by creating a huge one.



Coca-Cola on 23 October 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:

I'll tell you what I am going to do for my country in a few days.  Vote out a party that has completely abused its power in office and has made a mockery of our entire system of government, the American people, our good name as a country, and even what this very country stands for.

 

I agree with you. You are about to vote out the only major party that believes in what this country stands for.

In order to fix this problem, you are going to issue in a new era of big government, and reduction of out liberties.

Your leader talks about taking an axe to something that needs a scalpel. Your party is doing the same thing with respect to our freedoms.

Thank you for fixing a little problem, by creating a huge one.

My big concern as well.

I teach my kids to fish and they do very well in school, but in Californica it is more difficult for Asians to get into U.C. schools because there are too many Asians there.  How stupid is that!  It doesn't matter how well you fish in the U.S., you just gotta be the right kind of fish.  One big reason I don't like the liberal democrats.

 



Killergran on 23 October 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Killergran said:
halogamer1989 said:

"Give a man a fish; feed him for today. Teach a man to fish; feed him for a lifetime."  This is my logic for the current US predicament and I would like to know who among us at VGC agrees...

Am I just stupid, or are there a couple of things missing here?

A: what specific predicament are you talking about?
B: What do you mean should be taught, and whom should be taught?
C: Who should do the teaching?
D: What should we do when there's no more fish because all the newfound fishermen just caught it all?

ALTERNATIVE: Is this part of the Mcain Campaign?

 

A. He is talking about economic redistribution. If you just give money to the poor instead of giving them the tools to earn it, you will always need to give them money.

B. People who do not own a skill worth enough to support themselves, should be taught one. I would assume at the expense of others (fine with me)

C. Anyone who is willing to do so.

D. In this context, we are talking about jobs. The best way to reduce jobs, is to take money from the rich and give it to the poor. Kind of ironic huh? :)

Alternative: No, McCain is not that smart. This is (was) part of Ron Paul's Campaign.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. :)

 



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Jackson50 on 23 October 2008
TheRealMafoo said:I agree with you. You are about to vote out the only major party that believes in what this country stands for. In order to fix this problem, you are going to issue in a new era of big government, and reduction of out liberties.Your leader talks about taking an axe to something that needs a scalpel. Your party is doing the same thing with respect to our freedoms. Thank you for fixing a little problem, by creating a huge one.


Yes, the only party that believes in what this country stands for. They are the party that advocated and overwhelmingly supported the suspending of the writ of habeas corpus in the MCA Act of 2006. This is the party that wishes to deny two consenting adults the right to marry; yes, the Democrats do not support it as vociferously as I wish they would, but they at least support civil unions. The Republicans are also the party that seeks to balance the budget and curtail spending ( http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/Revenue_v_Spending.png ). I could list a myriad of examples that refute this silly notion that the Republicans are the only party that believes in what this country stands for, but I think most reasonable people can already see how silly it is.



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akuma587 on 23 October 2008
Jackson50 said:
TheRealMafoo said:I agree with you. You are about to vote out the only major party that believes in what this country stands for. In order to fix this problem, you are going to issue in a new era of big government, and reduction of out liberties.Your leader talks about taking an axe to something that needs a scalpel. Your party is doing the same thing with respect to our freedoms. Thank you for fixing a little problem, by creating a huge one.


Yes, the only party that believes in what this country stands for. They are the party that advocated and overwhelmingly supported the suspending of the writ of habeas corpus in the MCA Act of 2006. This is the party that wishes to deny two consenting adults the right to marry; yes, the Democrats do not support it as vociferously as I wish they would, but they at least support civil unions. The Republicans are also the party that seeks to balance the budget and curtail spending ( http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/Revenue_v_Spending.png ). I could list a myriad of examples that refute this silly notion that the Republicans are the only party that believes in what this country stands for, but I think most reasonable people can already see how silly it is.

No party completely represents what this country stands for, and to claim that one or the other party does is ludicrous.  Jackson is absolutely right that all you have to do is look at the evidence of what the party does.

I see parts of the Constitution that say we can't torture people with cruel and unusual methods, but I see no part of the Constitution that says that the federal government can't grow larger.  In fact, the Constitution's purpose was to make the federal government STRONGER since the Articles of Confederation were such a horrible failure.

I am not saying that the Constitution advocates big government, but the Constitution allows us to make the government as big as we want it to be.  There is nothing unconstitutional about that.  This doesn't mean that the government SHOULD become as big as we want it to be, but it also means that you are simply fabricating an argument that the government growing larger is against what the Constitution represents.  A country can stand for whatever the hell it wants to stand for, and what a country stands for changes over time, and should change over time.

But there are certain things etched into our Constitution that we can't and shouldn't change, like the Bill of Rights.  AND THAT INCLUDES TORTURING PEOPLE IN CRUEL AND UNUSUAL WAYS.  Show me where it says in the Constitution that the federal government can only become so large before it is unconstitutional?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson