All in all I'm still having trouble even understanding what your talking about.
"In amount yes. 1 dollar is worth more ot someone who has less then a dollar.
"I'm saying that i believe the value is largely set by how much you make.
"In otherwords. 10% of what a poor person makes is roughly equal to 10% of what a rich person makes in value to those individuals."
You've said that you believe the worth of money to people is relative. Why do you believe it can be relative on a constant ratio and not on a scaling ratio?
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| Final-Fan said: "In amount yes. 1 dollar is worth more ot someone who has less then a dollar. |
It could be on a scaling ratio. However there is nothing supporting a scaling ratio... nor is there even any kind of measuring system to support said hypothisis.
So it seems that any number of what the rich can take vs the poor is based soley on conjecture and popular opinion at the time.
But isn't YOUR idea conjecture as well? Why do you consider your idea more likely or valid than mine? Or don't you?
(And I don't concede that there IS no way to get a good idea of this, but that I have no idea if such studies exist yet, let alone what they conclude.)
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| Final-Fan said: But isn't YOUR idea conjecture as well? Why do you consider your idea more likely or valid than mine? Or don't you? (And I don't concede that there IS no way to get a good idea of this, but that I have no idea if such studies exist yet, let alone what they conclude.) |
Not at all. Mine is based off of the general study that happiness hasn't increased across the ages even though general wealth and cost of living has increased... and that happiness doesn't even really correlate with wealth. (Unless people are so poor that there actually well being is at risk.)
It actually seems fairly zerosum...
and the rich aren't necissarily on top when it comes to this happiness and "Standard of Life" depending on which values you perfer in the ratio.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=d30b622b-f238-4167-adbd-07f484475023&k=49549
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| TheRealMafoo said: I want no income tax. Earning money is nothing more then transferring your time into something other people want. Why tax the conversion? I want all tax collected when you spend it. Things like food, and basic clothing can be tax free. All other things should have a tax that is high enough to collect enough money to run the country (30-40%). Also interest should be taxed. The pure act of transferring your time into a commodity should not incur a penalty. Everything else is fair game :) |
Couldn't interest be viewed as a company's income? Just like an individual invests his resource (time and competence) in a job to get a return (income) out of it a company invests its resources (money and assets) to get a return (profit).
I am not saying whether profit/income should be taxed or not but I am wondering why you would treat them differently? Is it because one beneficiary is a citizen and the other is not?
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| Final-Fan said: I meant your idea about flat vs. scaling ratio. I don't see the connection between that and what you said in that last post. And certainly, people don't breeze through life in a state of perpetual euphoria, and likely never will, but it is also certain that suffering has greatly decreased in recent centuries. On a related note, how happy people are is a state of mind that often has little to do with how well-off they ACTUALLY are. Exhibit A: Upper-middle class suburban emo kids. P.S. "and the rich aren't necissarily on top when it comes to this happiness and "Standard of Life" depending on which values you perfer in the ratio." Did you have the impression that I was saying that money buys happiness? I certainly apologize if I said something to imply that. |
It seems like you were saying the rich have a higher standard of living... and therefore should pay more. When in reality they don't.
Basically I can't figure out what your arguement is in general of what this "first money" provides that so much more valuable then any other money.
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It seems like you were saying the rich have a higher standard of living... and therefore should pay more. When in reality they don't. Basically I can't figure out what your arguement is in general of what this "first money" provides that so much more valuable then any other money. |
But if you're claiming that article as evidence, then you're equating standard of living to the amount of time per day that someone is happy. Is that truly your position? If so then I completely disagree with your premise.
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But if you're claiming that article as evidence, then you're equating standard of living to the amount of time per day that someone is happy. Is that truly your position? If so then I completely disagree with your premise. |
That's what you were equating it to I thought?
All in all I really don't see what you're even argueing.
I mean the only way to get "Standard of Living" to be perfect is to have a pure socialism where the wealth is spread around completly equally no matter who does what.
Since Income inequality is basically the biggest indicator in "Standard of Living" ignoring such factors as per capita and such... and you seem against having a full equality in distribution of wealth, your using it as the numbers behind your argument seems to ring false.
It seems like you are saying a certain level of "Standard of Living" is ideal... but too high isn't good... though you aren't sure where too high is.
Though, I would note that the US constantly ranks in the top 20 as far as Standard of Living is concerned... because our poor basically have access to everything considered in "standard of living" aside from home ownership (Which we actually are 3rd in the world so not much can improve) and the wealth gap.
Basically in addition to the above problem, you are basically argueing that the wealth gap is too high, because the wealth gap is too high since the US constantly ranks in the top 20 for Standard of Living.
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