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Math is fundamental to science.

Science can't prove math. Math proves science. So no, you can't scientifically prove it.



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Why all the hate? I mean really, if you thought the question was stupid and didn't want to answer, why did you post? >.>



I remember doing this one in Set Theory, god, I really despised that course. To be honest, I can't remember how it's done, but I do remember that it was very, very long. I really cannot state how much I truly hate this branch of Mathematics, I much prefered my calculus and geometry courses.

edit: Now that I think about it, I'm not entirely sure we've ever finished it. I think the professor may have just mentioned after a short while about how long it may take. Of course, I could be wrong, we must have done over a hundred proofs I can't tell one from the other any more.



dtewi said:

I'll mathematically prove it to you.

  • This is easily demonstrated
  • Add to both sides
  • This can be factored
  • Take the square root of both sides
  • Now add to both sides

Using properties of equality, we can makes this 2+2=5. Wait...

 

well 2+2 actually equals 2 in tropical math



dtewi said:

I'll mathematically prove it to you.

  • This is easily demonstrated
  • Add to both sides
  • This can be factored
  • Take the square root of both sides
  • Now add to both sides
 

Using properties of equality, we can makes this 2+2=5. Wait...

Square roots have a positive and negative answer.  You can't simply make the sign positive.  You'll notice one = -1/2 and the other 1/2.  Plus or minus makes them equal. ;).

 



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dtewi said:

I'll mathematically prove it to you.

  • This is easily demonstrated
  • Add to both sides
  • This can be factored
  • Take the square root of both sides
  • Now add to both sides
 

Using properties of equality, we can makes this 2+2=5. Wait...

Nice parlor trick, but, you fail for injecting non-equal numbers into an equation in step one, i guess this works well among your fellow 7th graders though :P

http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/2p2e4.html



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The starting point is the definition of the numbers 2, 3 and 4, and the associative property of addition:

(a + b) + c = a + (b + c)

Using the inductive definition of natural numbers, the definitions of 2, 3 and 4 are:

2 = 1 + 1
3 = 2 + 1
4 = 3 + 1

You can then replace the 3 by 2 + 1

4 = (2 + 1) + 1

Using the associative property of addition, the equation becomes:

4 = 2 + (1 + 1)

But the definition of 2 is "1+1", so:

4 = 2 + 2

That's the best I can do right now, seems like a reasonable proof relying only on one axiom. Obviously we have to rely on something to start up the proof, since nothing can be proved from nothing.

 



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sounds about right nj5. however i think the correct model uses 3 axioms, i can't quite remember as it was something i learn 3 years ago.



nice to see that someone besides myself actually understood what this kid was talking about. :P