who cares. its books were arguing about.
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We rule everything else.
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| The Ghost of RubangB said: I think the point is that America lets immigrants bring other cultures into our melting pot of diversity, but outside of that, we don't really look to other countries at all. I know soooo many people who hate foreign films because they can't stand subtitles. It's stupid shit like that that makes me think Americans are culturally insulated and retarded. |
That's not just the US. That's everyone everywhere. Aside from which Europeon authors don't really look outside of Europe. Outside of random exiles. (same with exiles who come to the US.)
Pretty much everyone writes about where they come from and what they know
Also i'd say it's a big deal. There is no real "american" culture... and that each area is as different as each area in europe. (language excluded.)
Which is fair considering the similar sizes.
As stated in the rebuttel. America is still the big talk and influence on literature. Europe takes on more American styles at times because they have to, because America is still the center of literature and the big inovater...
which is a problem for the Nobel Prize people because they HATE big names, and what's popular. (As in good literture even not like Dr. Phil books or some crap.)
The Nobel prize winner is always someone even a lot of really well read people have barely heard of.
There like the Anime nerd who picks there favorite anime as something nobodys ever heard of just so they can feel elite when the other person doesn't know what it is... because it would be horrible if they new... or heaven forbid if it was their favorite too.
Hahaha, yeah. I think they gave Kenzaburo Oe the prize in 1994 as a lifetime achievement award, kinda like how the Oscars are a joke and pull that all the time, awarding bad later works as an apology for ignoring the earlier amazing works.
| The Ghost of RubangB said: The last time an American won the prize was in 1993. Hahaha. The last time before that was Steinbeck in 1962. Hahaha. Stupid American authors. But I gotta admit, that was a damn good comeback about how they ignored Proust, Joyce, and Nabokov. |
right on. This is my opinion as well.
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Kasz216 said:
Wha??? I would say Europe is many times worse in that regard. They don't care about anything outside the europeon union. You think America is bad... look at countries like France... where in recent years they've had laws outright banning aspects other cultures because of their fear of immigration. (When they had the headscarf law... if they've ever even gotten rid of that.) America is much more accepting of multiculturalism... heck it's basically the US' defining feature. Aside from which... really looking at it politically when it's about literature? |
Wut? The France population is scared of Immigratiion that is why they choose a immigrant as President?
The headscarf law was if I am right only for the seperation of State and church and schools. In a lot of Islam countries like Turkey you can't wear a headscarf on school aswell...Why is it so wrong then if France do it? And other EU countries aswell?
On topic.... I can't really comment about this. I have around 100 of books that are from Foreign writers (Not including Belgians and French Writers) and only 6 books are from American writers and are all science fiction stories like from Eric Nyton (Halo the fall of reach). I am not a literature specialist so I don't really know much about it;.
But I found this and I think it is quite interesting:
From roughly the early 1970s until present day, the most well known literary category, though often contested as a proper title, has been Postmodernism. Notable, intellectually well-received writers of the period have included Thomas Pynchon, Tim O'Brien, Robert Stone, Don DeLillo, Paul Auster, Toni Morrison, Philip Roth, Cormac McCarthy, Raymond Carver, John Cheever, Joyce Carol Oates and Annie Dillard. Authors typically labeled Postmodern have dealt with and are today dealing directly with many of the ways that popular culture and mass media have influenced the average American's perception and experience of the world, which is quite often criticized along with the American government, and, in many cases, with America's history, but especially with the average American's perception of his or her own history.
| The Ghost of RubangB said: I think the point is that America lets immigrants bring other cultures into our melting pot of diversity, but outside of that, we don't really look to other countries at all. I know soooo many people who hate foreign films because they can't stand subtitles. It's stupid shit like that that makes me think Americans are culturally insulated and retarded. |
Rubang knows what I am getting at.
Another good example is looking at foreign law. Many of our Supreme Court justices refuse to do so even though it has been common practice throughout US history. I am not suggesting we look at foreign laws as binding on what we do, but they are still a persuasive authority that we should at least consider. Some countries have it within their Constitution that they must look at foreign laws.
Foreign countries used to cite our Supreme Court extremely frequently as one of the most important legal sources in the world. Our law in many ways was a major "export." However, the EU has passed us in terms of worldwide legal influence because we have become increasingly insular.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| The Ghost of RubangB said: Hahaha, yeah. I think they gave Kenzaburo Oe the prize in 1994 as a lifetime achievement award, kinda like how the Oscars are a joke and pull that all the time, awarding bad later works as an apology for ignoring the earlier amazing works. |
Indeed, like The Departed. Not to say it was a bad movie, it just wasn't Scorsese's greatest. At least No Country For Old Men is arguably the Coen Brothers' best film.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
Historically speaking, the artistic "community" is typically a collection of untalented individuals who define the "Quality" of art in a way that preserves their political and social views. One of the results of this is that (quite often) there are countless artists who were considered among the best of their time that were rejected by the artistic "community" primarily because they held a contrarian view of the world.
Now, being that there are probably more books published in a year by American authors today than there was published (in total) before the 1950s, I haven’t read all of the books that have been written by American authors recently. I do believe that there are probably a fairly high number of really high quality authors being published in the United States today who might be ignored due to the high volume of books being published, or because they hold a worldview which is different from the artistic "community".
The artistic community doesn't define the quality of their work. If that were the case, I'd be the most famous artist in the world by now, because the shit I make is so fucking amazing:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RubangB
Unfortunately the "value" of art is decided by the wackos who will actually pay for it, and the "quality" of art is decided by the wackos who are influenced by it.
Usually these 2 are separate, because not everybody's the Beatles.
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