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disolitude on 30 September 2008
DOATS1 said:

 

 

 you do realise that controller preference is opinion, right? while you think the ps controller is horrible, i think it's the best controller ever made. i think the gamecube controller is horrid, but other people think it's the best too. what i'm basically trying to say is that you can't call the design 'lazy', just because it doesn't suit your needs properly. it's a design, which many people like, that's why sony decided to keep it the way it is.

 

if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I disagree with your "its prefference" statement. While you are correct that everyones prefferences are different, that speaks nothing of the general quality of a product.  Someone may preffer mac and cheese to a gourmet steak dinner...the steak dinner is still a better meal.

In any case, it is widely known that the dualshock controller is trying to be the jack of all trades and works fine for that but as soon as you get in to a perticular type of game where precise and accurate controllers are needed (FPS games, 2D fighters, SHMUPS...etc) the controller is not good at all.

 



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FilaBrasileiro on 30 September 2008

I disagree with CliffyB, and by the way CliffyB has been talking a lot of shit about Sony and Insomniac lately.



FilaBrasileiro on 30 September 2008
disolitude said:

I disagree with your "its prefference" statement. While you are correct that everyones prefferences are different, that speaks nothing of the general quality of a product. Someone may preffer mac and cheese to a gourmet steak dinner...the steak dinner is still a better meal.

In any case, it is widely known that the dualshock controller is trying to be the jack of all trades and works fine for that but as soon as you get in to a perticular type of game where precise and accurate controllers are needed (FPS games, 2D fighters, SHMUPS...etc) the controller is not good at all.

 

Not to the person who prefers a mac and cheese it ain't. I prefer beer instead of old fine wines, so to me a beer is better than wine.

And for 2D Fighters the dualshock is as good a controller as they come, I don't know what you're talking about there, SMUPS I don't know what that is, and FPS the dualshock does a good job though the 360 controller is better suited for shooters.

 

 



deathgod33 on 30 September 2008

the dualshock controller has been around for more than a decade and people have never complained about it until now, somethings really fishy.



 

 

 

 

DOATS1 on 30 September 2008
disolitude said:
DOATS1 said:

 

 

 you do realise that controller preference is opinion, right? while you think the ps controller is horrible, i think it's the best controller ever made. i think the gamecube controller is horrid, but other people think it's the best too. what i'm basically trying to say is that you can't call the design 'lazy', just because it doesn't suit your needs properly. it's a design, which many people like, that's why sony decided to keep it the way it is.

 

if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I disagree with your "its prefference" statement. While you are correct that everyones prefferences are different, that speaks nothing of the general quality of a product.  Someone may preffer mac and cheese to a gourmet steak dinner...the steak dinner is still a better meal.

In any case, it is widely known that the dualshock controller is trying to be the jack of all trades and works fine for that but as soon as you get in to a perticular type of game where precise and accurate controllers are needed (FPS games, 2D fighters, SHMUPS...etc) the controller is not good at all.

 

 

but, you see, that's the thing, all that is jsut your opinion from your expereiences. 

that's like me saying that the gamecube controller is badly designed just because i don't like it. i think the dualshock does everything better than every other controller, apart from fps's. that's my opinion, are you going to tell me i'm wrong just because you think that the dualshock is badly designed? the dualshock is not badly designed, that's why it's managed to keep it's exact same design for 3 generations, many people like the controller and think it's the best controller. do they all have bad taste? you just don't like it and i think it's a little unfair that you're trying to pass your opinion on as a fact.

 




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zexen_lowe on 30 September 2008

I haven't used the Dualshock, but for me the DS2 is the best control ever made, it feels great, intuitive, the symmetrical analogs, the precision of the D-Pad, the shoulder buttons, they even the perfect names for the face buttons (better than when the buttons are named A,B,X,Y), everything is in place. I would change minor things, like the convexity of the analogs, it can become a bit slippery after a long session.




disolitude on 30 September 2008
DOATS1 said:
disolitude said:
DOATS1 said:

 

 

 you do realise that controller preference is opinion, right? while you think the ps controller is horrible, i think it's the best controller ever made. i think the gamecube controller is horrid, but other people think it's the best too. what i'm basically trying to say is that you can't call the design 'lazy', just because it doesn't suit your needs properly. it's a design, which many people like, that's why sony decided to keep it the way it is.

 

if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I disagree with your "its prefference" statement. While you are correct that everyones prefferences are different, that speaks nothing of the general quality of a product.  Someone may preffer mac and cheese to a gourmet steak dinner...the steak dinner is still a better meal.

In any case, it is widely known that the dualshock controller is trying to be the jack of all trades and works fine for that but as soon as you get in to a perticular type of game where precise and accurate controllers are needed (FPS games, 2D fighters, SHMUPS...etc) the controller is not good at all.

 

 

but, you see, that's the thing, all that is jsut your opinion from your expereiences. 

that's like me saying that the gamecube controller is badly designed just because i don't like it. i think the dualshock does everything better than every other controller, apart from fps's. that's my opinion, are you going to tell me i'm wrong just because you think that the dualshock is badly designed? the dualshock is not badly designed, that's why it's managed to keep it's exact same design for 3 generations, many people like the controller and think it's the best controller. do they all have bad taste? you just don't like it and i think it's a little unfair that you're trying to pass your opinion on as a fact.

 

Personal prefference is not a measurement for quality. Many people like Britney spears's music...that doens't make her better than Bethoven. As soon as one starts usign the argument "well i like it best so its best for me"...that argument is lost in my eyes. 

In any case I am not saying you are wrong for thinking ps2/3 pads are the best.  Theya re durable pads that offer great gamign experience accross many types of games. I'm just saying that its all but been proven that the D-pads suck... they are good controllers otherwise that have some shortcomings.

Read the page below...that is essentially the same Dpad as on the PS2/3 controller. And this was officially released by capcom to "FIX" the dpad on the PSP.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/673/673821p1.html


I've played fighting games for 15 years now...been in a few local Street Fighter 3 tournaments as well. The dualshock dpad is generally a laughing stock in those circles...as much as the 360 dpad is. Except no one claims the 360 dpad is amazing...but every sony owner loves their dualshock dpad for some reason.



DOATS1 on 30 September 2008
disolitude said:

Personal prefference is not a measurement for quality. Many people like Britney spears's music...that doens't make her better than Bethoven. As soon as one starts usign the argument "well i like it best so its best for me"...that argument is lost in my eyes. 

In any case I am not saying you are wrong for thinking ps2/3 pads are the best.  Theya re durable pads that offer great gamign experience accross many types of games. I'm just saying that its all but been proven that the D-pads suck... they are good controllers otherwise that have some shortcomings.

Read the page below...that is essentially the same Dpad as on the PS2/3 controller. And this was officially released by capcom to "FIX" the dpad on the PSP.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/673/673821p1.html


I've played fighting games for 15 years now...been in a few local Street Fighter 3 tournaments as well. The dualshock dpad is generally a laughing stock in those circles...as much as the 360 dpad is. Except no one claims the 360 dpad is amazing...but every sony owner loves their dualshock dpad for some reason.
nobody said personal preference is a measurement of quality. but you've just gone and said every 'sony lover' loves their dpad for 'some reason'. could the reason actually be that it's a good dpad? could it? you think the dpad is a joke, i get it. but that doesn't stop it from being a good dpad. i think britney spears sucks. doesn't mean she is a terrible artist, it just means that i have an opinion.

 

 




Words Of Wisdom on 30 September 2008
disolitude said:

I've played fighting games for 15 years now...been in a few local Street Fighter 3 tournaments as well. The dualshock dpad is generally a laughing stock in those circles...as much as the 360 dpad is. Except no one claims the 360 dpad is amazing...but every sony owner loves their dualshock dpad for some reason.

Many big Sony fans owe their first console gaming experience to Sony and that's probably a large portion of it.  They love the DS because really it's the only controller they've ever gotten to know.



SnakeEyez on 30 September 2008

I don't understand why ppl think that the DS3 is bad, I really don't. I hear ppl say that the analog placement is weird, making it hard to play FPS games but on the contrary, I play FPS games just fine. In fact, when I play the 360, the analog placement seems off to me, making me play worse. Anyways, I find it funny how Sony can never catch a break nowadays. First, the weight and the triggers (which aren't as good as the PS2's but aren't nearly as bad as ppl make it out to be) which the weight got fixed with the DS3, then the analog placement, and now the D-Pad, the one thing that everybody says is better than the 360's is now come into scrutiny? Ridiculous I tell u.