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Damn, things are looking pretty scary on Wall Street.  People will blame the government for not intervening just as they will blame them for intervening, so it looks like a lose-lose for everyone in Washington.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?cnn=yes

Stocks crushed

Dow down 778, worst point drop ever, after the House rejects the $700 billion bank bailout plan.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks skidded Monday afternoon, with the Dow's nearly 778-point drop being the worst single-day point loss ever, after the House rejected the government's $700 billion bank bailout plan.

Stocks tumbled ahead of the vote and the selling accelerated on fears that Congress would not be able come up with a fix for nearly frozen credit markets. The frozen markets mean banks are hoarding cash, making it difficult for businesses and individuals to get much-needed loans. (Full story)

According to preliminary tallies, the Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) lost 777.68, surpassing the 684.81 loss on Sept. 17, 2001 - the first trading day after the September 11 attacks. However the 7% decline does not rank among the top 10 percentage declines.

The Standard & Poor's 500 (SPX) index was down 8.7% and the Nasdaq composite (COMP) 9.1%.

"The stock market was definitely taken by surprise," said Drew Kanaly, chairman and CEO of Kanaly Trust Company, referring to the House vote. "If you watched the news stream over the weekend, it seemed like it was a done deal. But the money is being held hostage to the political process."

Stocks had fallen from the get-go Monday morning. In addition to expectations for the bailout, there was also news that troubled Wachovia had to sell its banking assets to Citigroup. A number of European banks also collapsed.

But the possibility that the House won't pass the bailout plan caused stock losses to accelerate.

"It's a huge disappointment," said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank.

Ablin said the fact that stocks were down more than 200 points this morning ahead of the vote indicated that there was already skepticism that the plan would pass.

Although another version of the plan will likely go before Congress, investors are concerned that passing the bill could be a more drawn-out process.

And they are worried about how effective the proposed plan would be anyway, said Alan Gayle, senior investment strategist at RidgeWorth Investments.

"We are charting new territory in policy tools and implementation with this program and there's no guarantee that it will work," Gayle said.

"That a number of institutions haven't been able to last through the negotiations adds to the uncertainty," Gayle said, referring to Washington Mutual's failure on Friday and the buyout of Wachovia Monday.

Stocks are also extremely choppy and volatile as Wall Street moves to the end of the third quarter. Financial institutions and funds are expected to have their books settled before Wednesday, so there is a lot of last-minute scrambling, Gayle said.

Treasury prices rallied, sending yields lower, as investors sought safety in government debt.

Government rescue plan: Congress had supposedly reached a compromise on the $700 billion bank bailout plan Sunday, but the House voted against the bill Monday.

The bill is based around Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's initial plan to buy up bad mortgage debt from banks as a means of getting them to lend to each other again. However, Congressional lawmakers added provisions to protect taxpayers and enable them to benefit if the companies do as well. (Full story)

On Monday, President Bush and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke praised the bill and urged Congress to pass it quickly.

Investors also remained skittish amid more bank turbulence - and banks continued to hoard cash.

Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve and other central banks around the world announced steps Monday to make billions available to troubled banks.

Wachovia: Citigroup is buying the company's bank assets in a $2.2 billion all-stock deal that will see the company hold onto its brokerage business and remain afloat, albeit in a smaller form.

The deal calls for Citigroup to absorb up to $42 billion in losses and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to be responsible beyond that. Citigroup will give the FDIC $12 billion in preferred stock and warrants in exchange. (Full story)

Wachovia (WB, Fortune 500) shares began trading at around 2:30 in the afternoon, plunging 80%. Citigroup (C, Fortune 500) fell 3%.

Last week, JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) bought Washington Mutual (WM, Fortune 500), after it suffered the largest failure ever of a U.S. bank.

On Monday, regional bank National City (NCC, Fortune 500) slumped 61% on worries that it might be next. Other regional banks dropped too. Bank of New York (BK, Fortune 500) fell 24%, Fifth Third Bancorp (FITB, Fortune 500) fell 38% and Regions Financial (RF, Fortune 500) fell 38%.

Big banks fell too, including Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), Merrill Lynch (MER, Fortune 500) and Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500).

Market breadth was negative. On the New York Stock Exchange, losers beat winners 23 to 1 on volume of 1.30 billion shares. On the Nasdaq, decliners topped advancers by over six to one on volume of 2.24 billion shares.

Global markets: Worldwide markets struggled. Asian and European markets ended lower after three European banks fell apart.

Dutch-Belgian bank and insurance giant Fortis was given a $16.4 billion lifeline to avoid it collapsing. The British government nationalized battered U.K. bank Bradford & Bingley.

Germany's financial regulators and several banks stepped in Monday to throw a line of credit to Hypo Real Estate Holding AG in a multibillion-euro move aimed at shielding the No. 2 commercial property lender.

Credit markets: Businesses depend on the credit markets to function on a daily basis, and the absence of ready capital has threatened to stall the broader financial system.

Several measures of bank fears surged Monday, suggesting that despite the bailout, banks remain worried. However, as with stock markets, the freezing up could be an immediate knee-jerk reaction that is mitigated once Congress passes the bill.

Additionally, credit markets may have been more focused on Wachovia and the other distressed banks, than the bailout.

The Libor-OIS spread, one gauge that banks use to determine lending rates, rose to a record 2.2%.

Meanwhile, the TED spread rose to 3.322%, but was short of the 3.48% level it hit in the morning. That 3.48% level was the highest point since at least 1982. The TED spread is the difference between what banks charge each other to borrow for three months and what the the Treasury pays. When banks charge each other a higher premium than the U.S. government, that's a sign of fear.

The three-month Treasury bill, seen as the safest place to park money in the short term, fell to 0.71% from 0.83% late Friday. It had been lower in the morning. Earlier this month, the three-month bill fell to a 68-year low around 0% as panic gripped financial markets.

Long-term Treasury prices rose, lowering the yield on the benchmark 10-year note to 3.58% from 3.82% late Friday. Treasury prices and yields move in opposite directions.

Treasury prices have been rallying recently and yields tumbling as nervous stock market investors have looked for safer areas to move their cash.

Other stock movers: Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) slumped 13% after RBC and Morgan Stanley analysts downgraded the stock to "neutral" from "buy" saying the consumer spending slowdown will hurt profits. (Full story)

A variety of other big tech stocks slumped, including Intel (INTC, Fortune 500), IBM (IBM, Fortune 500), Hewlett-Packard (HPQ, Fortune 500), Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500), Cisco Systems (CSCO, Fortune 500), Dell (DELL, Fortune 500) and Applied Materials (AMAT, Fortune 500).

All 30 Dow components fell.

Oil and gold: U.S. light crude oil for November delivery fell $11.10 to $95.79 as investors bet that a slowing global economy means oil demand will keep dropping.

Oil prices had plummeted over $55 after peaking at $147.27 a barrel on July 11, as investors bet that sluggish global growth will diminish oil demand. But prices have seesawed in the last few weeks as the financial crisis has intensified and investors sought to put their money into hard assets.

COMEX gold for December delivery rallied $9.50 to $898.00 an ounce. Like oil, gold prices had also rallied during the biggest periods of unrest over the last few weeks

Other markets: In currency trading, the dollar gained against the euro and fell against the yen.

Gas prices fell for the 12th day in a row, according to a nationwide survey of credit card activity.



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Is that bad?

Wait I think it's bad.



^_^

Man. That's bad.
At least, it's still 13% away from holding the highest percentage drop of all time (Black Friday).



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It's bad for sure.
but at least the oil is down.
the market will stablize and hopefully gain in near future.



Perhaps this will change the public's opinion about the bailout?



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Coca-Cola said:
It's bad for sure.
but at least the oil is down.
the market will stablize and hopefully gain in near future.

 

How? Who is gonna loan out the money? Not Europe for sure, they are tanking just as hard. Not US banks, they won't be loaning anything out. So that means payrolls, etc may not be met. This is serious, this is not something the market is going to correct easily. HOW is it going to correct, give me specifics please cause you have not said anything other than bail out is bad. Show us you know why and how the market will fix itself.



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I hope you mean 21st century history.

In 1987 your stock market plunger by 25%. Today was only 4% and it reclaimed some of its lost value through the rest of the day. Remember, it could always be worse. 1920's worse that is.



Huh. Who would've thought that beggining anew in my real life would coincide with starting anew on vgchartz?

Any day now, the dollar will be worth less than 2 zloty......any day now.....and my life savings will be in total jepordy ;(.

Menago KF said:
I hope you mean 21st century history.

In 1987 your stock market plunger by 25%. Today was only 4% and it reclaimed some of its lost value through the rest of the day. Remember, it could always be worse. 1920's worse that is.

If you read the title of the thread, you would see it clearly says "point drop."

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Years ago I had the differential in my truck leak oil while I was driving and when the oil level got low enough the gears overheated, seized up, and exploded. I was lucky that the road was empty because it was late at night, no one hit me, and the massive peices of (probably) sharp metal didn't hit anyone.

The thing that scares me is that the credit markets act a lot like a differential for the ecconomy, the low level of liquidity in the market is a lot like oil that has drained from that differential, and there are obvious signs that it is overheating and is readly to seize up. The bailout plan is not that good, and represents something similar to diverting oil from the engine towards the differential ... In the short run it will buy you time to turn off at a service station to fix the problem, but if you don't use the time it buys you correctly you will have a problem where your engine and differential start to seize up at the same time.



It might be the biggest drop, but it sure isn't as bad as you make it out to be.



Huh. Who would've thought that beggining anew in my real life would coincide with starting anew on vgchartz?

Any day now, the dollar will be worth less than 2 zloty......any day now.....and my life savings will be in total jepordy ;(.