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bigjon said:
foxs news is not blatantly biased. Slanted at worse. Sometimes they are actually too nice to the dems so people do not call they biased.

 

This is just wrong. It is by no means fair and balanced. With many of the conservative people I talk with they even call it far right and then laugh and say they deserve it based on the rest of biased media.



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Aiemond said:
bigjon said:
foxs news is not blatantly biased. Slanted at worse. Sometimes they are actually too nice to the dems so people do not call they biased.

 

This is just wrong. It is by no means fair and balanced. With many of the conservative people I talk with they even call it far right and then laugh and say they deserve it based on the rest of biased media.

I can't say that I have ever watched Fox news, but CNN is (about) the only American news network I have seen that has even bothered to attempt to be fair and balanced ... I wouldn't be surprised if Fox gets a lot of unjustified bashing simply because of how it relates to the other news networks.

 



You think Fox is moderate because you think you're a centrist, but both are incorrect.

I have no problem wearing my far far left liberalism on my sleeve (when I wear sleeves). I don't know why everybody on both sides wants to pretend they're a centrist. It's like the people who say "Now I love Nintendo and I've owned every one of their systems, but my Wii just collects dust." They make up a baloney story to justify their hatred later on. You're a centrist, so I'm supposed to give you more credibility when all you do is spout hatred for Obama and love for McCain? I don't hate McCain or love Obama. I just prefer Obama's policies.

(Hating Palin is a different story. ;) )

Studies have shown that people who primarily watch Fox News actually know the least about world events. I don't know if it's because Fox News lies the most or it draws the most uninformed viewers. People who watch The Daily Show or PBS or listen to NPR are the most well informed, and then after that is a second tier of CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and then Fox is dead last. Slant or no slant, they're just not good news.

If you think Fox is moderate, I have 3 words for you: "terrorist fist jab?"



I would say the debate was a tie.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
You think Fox is moderate because you think you're a centrist, but both are incorrect.

I have no problem wearing my far far left liberalism on my sleeve (when I wear sleeves). I don't know why everybody on both sides wants to pretend they're a centrist. It's like the people who say "Now I love Nintendo and I've owned every one of their systems, but my Wii just collects dust." They make up a baloney story to justify their hatred later on. You're a centrist, so I'm supposed to give you more credibility when all you do is spout hatred for Obama and love for McCain? I don't hate McCain or love Obama. I just prefer Obama's policies.

(Hating Palin is a different story. ;) )

Studies have shown that people who primarily watch Fox News actually know the least about world events. I don't know if it's because Fox News lies the most or it draws the most uninformed viewers. People who watch The Daily Show or PBS or listen to NPR are the most well informed, and then after that is a second tier of CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and then Fox is dead last. Slant or no slant, they're just not good news.

If you think Fox is moderate, I have 3 words for you: "Obama's Baby Momma"

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McCain had a lot of opportunities to say something clever, and didn't. For example, when asked how they plan to change there plans on order to pay the 700b bailout, McCain could have said he doesn't have to change anything. The problem with the government today is we spend to much money. What I want to do in Washington is what needs to be done anyway.

Obama is promising the world. He wants to give everyone so much more from the government, and take so much less from the people. I have no idea how you accomplish that, but when you are pushing billions in social programs, you have to cut something. I think if anyone had a blunder last night (and I think they both did well), it was Obama on how to handle the spending. He didn't know how to answer that question.



I would say its a tie. To me, it didn't seem much of a debate to me



                       

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The Ghost of RubangB said:
I believe www.factcheck.org will sway people towards Obama.

How?  I don't see anything damning on either candidate on there....

and they both got things wrong... 5 to 5.

Or did you just assume McCain made a lot of shit up before the actual fact check on the debate happened?



theprof00 said:
@bigjon. did not know that. I thought they brought up some valid points though...

i was wondering the whole time why mccain wasn't looking at obama.
and some of those facts; I KNOW from reality that he was lying.

I don't know, he looked really flustered the whole time, i thought.
Palin didn't even show up. He played the POW card, again.

I think they are spot on. McCain won the part about the war, and Obama won the part about economics. Far left or not, I saw exactly what they saw.

So was Obama.  They lied an equal ammount.

 



Factcheck.org takes on the first debate, their bullet points


McCain and Obama contradicted each other repeatedly during their first debate, and each volunteered some factual misstatements as well. Here’s how we sort them out:

* Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran “without preconditions,” but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for “high level” talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, “I do not believe that we can make conditions.” After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn’t favor presidential talks with Iran.

* Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.

* McCain and Obama contradicted each other on what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said about troop withdrawals. Mullen said a time line for withdrawal could be “very dangerous” but was not talking specifically about “Obama’s plan,” as McCain maintained.

* McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.

* Obama claimed Iraq “has” a $79 billion surplus. It once was projected to be as high as that. It’s now down to less than $60 billion.

* McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.

* Obama said 95 percent of “the American people” would see a tax cut under his proposal. The actual figure is 81 percent of households.

* Obama mischaracterized an aspect of McCain’s health care plan, saying “employers” would be taxed on the value of health benefits provided to workers. Employers wouldn’t, but the workers would. McCain also would grant workers up to a $5,000 tax credit per family to cover health insurance.

* McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.

* McCain claimed Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower had drafted a letter of resignation from the Army to be sent in case the 1944 D-Day landing at Normandy turned out to be a failure. Ike prepared a letter taking responsibility, but he didn’t mention resigning.

For full details, as well as other dubious claims and statements, please read our full Analysis section.



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