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TheRealMafoo said:
fkusumot said:
TheRealMafoo said:
koffieboon said:
I'm not a real expert when it comes to US politics, but didn't the Republicans have a majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate in 2005 as well as the president. How can Democrats even block anything if Republicans really want to push it through?

Let's stop caring about 2005 for a moment. Congress has been Democrat for several years now. In the US, it is Congress's job to spend the money. They ultimately control our financial future. I have no clue how you can not put responsibility on that party for how our money has been handled over the last few years.

If you want to blame Republicans for what happened when Republicans were in control, fine, but if you do, pony up and realize nothing has been done in the last few years to fix the problem, and that is completely on the Democrats.

You do not understand what a filibuster is?

Yes, I understand what it is. I also understand that it was a tactic used while the Republicans were in control. With your logic, you can't blame the Republicans now either.

Pick a standard, and apply it equally. 

Pick a standard and apply it equally. That's what you're saying this article is doing?



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The_vagabond7 said:
Ben Stein is an asshat (I like that word today). I lost all respect for him after that dumbass fundie movie that had pictures of Nazi's spliced in with darwin. Regardless of how intelligent he is, he's still a dumb ass.

 

True on that.  Of course, he's always been like that.  He just receives a lot of support do to his movies and how he became hip... ironically with a largely liberal crowd.



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ManusJustus said:
How Democrats created the financial crisis?

They got beat by the Republicans in elections.

 

lolololol

 

so let me get this straight. Timmah is blaming the democrats for not wanting to regulate the market? I thought non-regulation was a conservative thing.

Nah.  It was lack of oversight on the market.

Regulation and Oversight are two different things.

For example if you were a parent and did not want your kid to watch say... House for some reason. (House's abuse of painkillers.)

Regulation would be telling your kid he can't watch TV after 8 and taking the TV from his room.

Oversight would be to watch what your kid was watching on TV to make sure he wasn't doing it.

One is more effective... but one is also much more... and needlessly restrictive.

Banks like Freddie May and Fannie Mac were doing illegal things.  They were lieing and misleading people into loans.  It was even in the reports given to the senate.

Which is why the 2005 bill was started and blocked.

The republicans started the problem by removing the regulation... however the democrats were the ones who removed the oversight, finishing the problem.



Aiemond said:
TheRealMafoo said:
fkusumot said:
TheRealMafoo said:
koffieboon said:
I'm not a real expert when it comes to US politics, but didn't the Republicans have a majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate in 2005 as well as the president. How can Democrats even block anything if Republicans really want to push it through?

Let's stop caring about 2005 for a moment. Congress has been Democrat for several years now. In the US, it is Congress's job to spend the money. They ultimately control our financial future. I have no clue how you can not put responsibility on that party for how our money has been handled over the last few years.

If you want to blame Republicans for what happened when Republicans were in control, fine, but if you do, pony up and realize nothing has been done in the last few years to fix the problem, and that is completely on the Democrats.

You do not understand what a filibuster is?

Yes, I understand what it is. I also understand that it was a tactic used while the Republicans were in control. With your logic, you can't blame the Republicans now either.

Pick a standard, and apply it equally.

 

Bush whitehouse is de-regulation. Democrats in control would get veto on the bill. And they did have a bill in 2007 (which obama helped with) Bush, when talking about this current crisis a few days ago said he didn't understand why the govt needed to get into it untul basically everyone explained it. The republicans failed on this and the democrats could not get it done :/ Too much partisanship.

Got a link to that 07 bill?  I'm curious if it would actually help.

 

As for why the democrats liked the regulation and wanted to keep it though.... things like sub prime morgaging became popular helping a lot of people who couldn't afford it own homes... get homes.

I mean, looking back on it.  All those amazing years of unprecedented home ownership under clinton were the first sign of the problem.

 



Eh, i tried looking it up, guess it was nto a bill. he only supported regulation on the problem then by writing to the fed to say a problem was gonna occur.



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The problems may have began under Clinton because of the government's shift in attitude that everyone needed to own a home, but the real problem did not begin under him. When the fed funds and discount rate rose in late 99-early 2001, this would have priced the high-risk (prospective) home owner out of the market. But when the fed funds and discount rate dropped to below 1 percent in late 2001, this encouraged the high-risk prospective home owner to purchase a home. Because the rates did not rise above 3 perent until late 2004/early 2005, the damage had been done...it was only a matter of time.



I wish Americans would stop looking for a scapegoat and find ways to address the issues at hand. Instead all our focus and energy are spent blaming each other. It won't much matter who is to blame when we all live in poverty, filth and squalor.



Aiemond said:
Eh, i tried looking it up, guess it was nto a bill. he only supported regulation on the problem then by writing to the fed to say a problem was gonna occur.

Which really isn't anything but covering your but incase a problem does occur.

I mean... he was in the government... so he could of proposed something to attempt a change.

 



Kasz216 said:

Got a link to that 07 bill?  I'm curious if it would actually help.

As for why the democrats liked the regulation and wanted to keep it though.... things like sub prime morgaging became popular helping a lot of people who couldn't afford it own homes... get homes.

I mean, looking back on it.  All those amazing years of unprecedented home ownership under clinton were the first sign of the problem.

I understand how anyone could reach this conclusion but it wrong. The problem happened after this when the mortgage bankers starting rolling together all of these mortgages in securitized packages and selling them as mortgage-back bonds. The way it was rigged all of that bad "B" paper magically became a AAA-Bond. You get what I'm saying?