Aiemond said:
senseinobaka said:
Aiemond said:
Timmah! said:
Aiemond said:
Timmah! said:
Aiemond said:
Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama and Biden will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country. (This from his plan site)
|
We only have to look as far as Fannie Mae to see how well public-private entities work... Great, another way for governement to arbitrarily waste my money.
|
Do you have anything other than this to say? Incubators are a good idea and will help start off business. This is a great way to help it. And, these are totally different types of situations. Fannie Mac is very different than this.
Edit: Magnus, stop the personal attacks. Debate people on issues not attacks.
|
I understand the idea behind incubators, it's just that the government has a terrible track record on just about everything they touch, so I really don't trust the well-intentioned 'incubators' to not become corrupt. I believe the government should create an environment where businesses can succeed, but I disagree with you on how this should be done. Incubators sound like a good idea on paper, but the government has not earned my trust enough where I actually believe they will do a good job with this. Creating a favorable tax environment sounds like a better idea to me.
|
I agree tax breaks on small busniess would help too. IMO there should be a seperate catagories for personal income and small business operating costs. Then, you can have someone making a profit of say, 120k be in the 120k income bracket and the taxes on the business would be different and not knock you up to the , say, 250kish bracket. you could also target the catagories easier.
I agree that govt can slow things down, but having the private incubators now and the ones that obama supports gives new owners more choice and more opportunities to use them. When I choose a canidate I pick the packet that I think overall is better. With obama, I feel his economic package is overall better (my number one issue), his energy ideas are better (my number 3ish issue) even though he disagrees with me on abortion (prolly my 5th or 6th issue).
And i feel obama's ideas are better based on the economics classes I took, business majors I am very good friends with, and what prominant financial analysts and economists are saying, including republican ones such as Ben Stien.
|
Incubators are not bad ideas at all. Cooperation is a great tool, even in highly competitive enivroments. The onyl worries I would have are things like the government fixing prices on capital or certain practices becoming regulations or government seizing control. I wouldnt want a situation like the one we have with property realtors, where if you're not part of the click, then you are ostracized or worse the National Association of Realtors will seek legislation to force you to conform to their methods and pricing structures. It's heinous.
My idea is government transperancy. Meaning the government will only show up when I, the business owner, is acting in a way that tramples the liberty of another.
|
Well, i think they devil is in the details here. There is no way he's gonna have exactly what regulation is gonna occur yet. I doubt it is going to be oppressive regulation or any price fixing. Plus, sometimes the private sector seeks to make you conform as well, look at unions. So its not only a govt thing. Next, Obama is for transperacy. He believes in people being able to know what the govt is doing. Also, how revenue would you say the average small busisness has? personally, I don't think many will be paying 3k or 12k more a quarter.
|
If he rolls back the tax cuts then he will be increase the top two brackets from 33% - 36% and 35%-39.6%. 12k is about what a 4.6% increase on 250Kwould amount to. A small business cash intake can be approxamated in many ways. Here's a quick and dirty method. Lets say assume an electrician that employees 5 full time employees.
$60/ hour (avg rate for skilled labor in my area) * 40 hours a week = 124,800
124,800 * 5 employess = 624,000
Employee Income = 45k or 180k for all 4
*note: admittedly this number can be higher or lower significantly based on how the time is managed and if there are other profit generaters such as charging for estimates and/or consultations. Also large contract deals will affect the avg. price per hour. Like I said this is quick and dirty.
Now lets look at the tax implications.
Income: 624,000
Less Payroll: 180000
Less Payroll Taxes (SS & Medicare): 13,770
Income after Payroll: 430,230
Less Additional Operating Expense (assume a 66% operating cost): 231,840
Less Tax (assume just sales tax): 15,070
Proprietor Income: 183,320
Less Current Tax: 64,162
Less Obama's Tax Increase: 8,433
Less Payroll Taxes: 28,048
Less State Tax: 13,496 (NC - filled as head of household)
Proprietor Net: 69,181
Let's not forget that the other 4 will be taxed too:
Employee Gross: 45,000
Less Federal Income: 11,250 [ * 4 = 45,000]
Less Payroll: 3,442.5 [ * 4 = 13,770]
Less NC State (HoH): 3,022.5 [ * 4 = 12,090]
Plus Obama's Claim to give Middle Class families 1,000
Employee Net Income: 28,285
Bottom Line: 182,321 <-- The 5 people who worked the butts off live of this.
Bottom Line: 209,839 <-- Government does nothing and takes more money than the workers. Please explain to me how that's a friend of the working class?
Edit: To anyone that looks at this and still thinks that these tax increases only effect the rich, please realize that all 5 fictional employees here would be bringing home Middle Class wages and Obama's increase will make it even tougher. almost 10k lost would definetaly equal a lost job or cut wages across the board. That is no friend of the middle class
Edit: Overhauled structure to show common deduction practices and a more realistic operating cost.