Do you have anything other than this to say? Incubators are a good idea and will help start off business. This is a great way to help it. And, these are totally different types of situations. Fannie Mac is very different than this.

Edit: Magnus, stop the personal attacks. Debate people on issues not attacks.

If you can't differentiate between attacking someone's knowledge of an issue (I agree he shouldn't have done this), and attacking them personally (calling a name like idiot), there's really not much else I can say to you on this.

I'm referring more to a general lack of respect on your part to those that disagree with you, my opinion on that is not based only on your comment here, but on a general atitude you show when debating.

I have no further comments on this issue.

Its actually very easy for anyone to differentiate between attacks someone's stance on an issue and attacks on someone's intelligence, education, and knowledge in general.

I understand the idea behind incubators, it's just that the government has a terrible track record on just about everything they touch, so I really don't trust the well-intentioned 'incubators' to not become corrupt. I believe the government should create an environment where businesses can succeed, but I disagree with you on how this should be done. Incubators sound like a good idea on paper, but the government has not earned my trust enough where I actually believe they will do a good job with this. Creating a favorable tax environment sounds like a better idea to me.

I agree tax breaks on small busniess would help too. IMO there should be a seperate catagories for personal income and small business operating costs. Then, you can have someone making a profit of say, 120k be in the 120k income bracket and the taxes on the business would be different and not knock you up to the , say, 250kish bracket. you could also target the catagories easier.

I agree that govt can slow things down, but having the private incubators now and the ones that obama supports gives new owners more choice and more opportunities to use them. When I choose a canidate I pick the packet that I think overall is better. With obama, I feel his economic package is overall better (my number one issue), his energy ideas are better (my number 3ish issue) even though he disagrees with me on abortion (prolly my 5th or 6th issue).

And i feel obama's ideas are better based on the economics classes I took, business majors I am very good friends with, and what prominant financial analysts and economists are saying, including republican ones such as Ben Stien.

Corps and large businesses are excluded from this conversation for several reasons. Here a some:

-they have the means to move to another country with favorable taxes

-they can pass the increase in cost to the consumer and risk less demand

-they can lay off large amounts of employees

I couldn't care less is Obama's plan helps corps and large businesses, they don't represent 80% of job creation or the largest segment of the economy, small businesses do.

I have not read anything in Obama's tax plan that says he plans on increasing the tax on the top 1% of income owners at different rates based on if the person is in that bracket because of running a small business. If he did say that then it would be an infinetly better plan.

Also, here's another home study. Just try it out. Find someone in the nieghborhood you live in who owns a small skilled-labor business. When that person gets home at around 8PM from work, knock on his door and ask him how many people he employees. Then ask him how being forced to pay an additional 12k or another 3k quarterly in taxes will effect their employment. And as he's answering that question keep in mind that the Liberal Congress has already increased unemplyment from historical lows to well above 6% in less than 2 years.

It was admitedly bitter for me to say that. So I apologize for offending you and being a douche.

However, it would be a good idea to learn how the economy and business work, especially considering your affinity to commenting in forums that revolve around economy and business.

Incubators are not bad ideas at all. Cooperation is a great tool, even in highly competitive enivroments. The onyl worries I would have are things like the government fixing prices on capital or certain practices becoming regulations or government seizing control. I wouldnt want a situation like the one we have with property realtors, where if you're not part of the click, then you are ostracized or worse the National Association of Realtors will seek legislation to force you to conform to their methods and pricing structures. It's heinous.

My idea is government transperancy. Meaning the government will only show up when I, the business owner, is acting in a way that tramples the liberty of another.

I don't even wanna wade through these posts or get involved in this dispute...

Where's he getting all the money from this?  Considering these are the same companies he's raising taxes on in the first place.

Lots of problems with it....

For example 2... well that's just easy, they'll set up a sub company or set those employees as "sub contractors" to get their ratios out to bilk the government out of the money... and also make the working conditions for those people even worse.

I mean the people in sweat shops don't actually work for Nike.  They do work for Nike...